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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-18-08 08:09 PM
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11. I'm not sure that we have disagreement.
"one really big thing going against Hand Counts are the Torch and Pitchfork types advocating it." I could not agree more.

"Some of the poll worker shortage is attributed to the introduction of electronic apparatus". True. Nevertheless, I'm sure it can be agreed that pollworker shortages exist and additional workers would need to be recruited for hand counting. Perhaps it can be done, perhaps not. We don't know at the present time. Conscription may be an option. If so, it should be discussed, rather than relying on claims by some of, "My neighbors and I will count the ballots!"

I think Dave Berman in Humboldt County is one of the real heroes along with his fellow community activists and organizations, who are walking-the-walk, implementing it on the ground and honestly dealing with the challenging issues of convincing officials and recruiting community members to count.

I think hand counting will have to be incrementally adopted by localities. Once practical logistics are proven successful, hopefully more and more communities, counties and states will be able to build upon these successes.

Posting an actual ballot from a U.S. election is no more "biased" than equating single race ballots from Italy or Canada to ours which have no similarity.

Whether hand-counted or opscanned, there certainly must be proper hand audits.

Again, I agree that the "torch & pitchfork" advocates generally merely wave pom-poms to no effect, distract from legitimate discussion of logistical implementation and set back any chance of bringing officials on-board and working with them toward the goal by accusing them of being "all a bunch of lying criminal fuckers".

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