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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-24-08 06:59 PM
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Edited on Thu Jan-24-08 07:04 PM by troubleinwinter
Bob Schulz, founder and head of 'We The People' is an interesting character, to say the least. A right-wing Libertarian, who ran for NY Governor on the Libertarian ticket, promotes income tax avoidance scams, landing many of his naieve, ardent followers in prison (not to mention "Schulz is under investigation by the Internal Revenue Service in connection with an alleged failure to file Federal income tax returns for years 2001 through 2004"). One dupe of this huckster plea-bargained and is serving seven years instead of 13 counts at 5 yrs each.


Queensbury, N.Y., Mans Scheme Allegedly Cost U.S. Treasury $21 Million

WASHINGTON, D.C. - The United States announced that it has sued to block Robert L. Schulz, of Queensbury, N.Y., from selling an alleged tax fraud scheme said to have cost the U.S. Treasury more than $21 million, the Justice Department announced today. Also named in the suit are two corporations, We the People Foundation for Constitutional Education Inc., and We the People Congress Inc.

The governments complaint, filed in Syracuse with the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of New York, alleges that Schulz has used the two We the People entities to market a nationwide tax fraud scheme, called the Tax Termination Package, to employers and employees. According to the complaint, the Tax Termination Package includes We the People forms, which the defendants falsely tell customers can be used to replace forms the IRS requires employers and employees must use in connection with federal tax withholding from wages.

The suit says that Schulz and the We the People entities falsely state that use of the replacement forms will allow customers to legally stop tax withholding. According to the complaint, the defendants base the scheme on frivolous arguments about federal tax laws that federal courts have repeatedly rejected. These schemes are on the IRSs 2007 list of the Dirty Dozen tax scams.,,id=167983,00.htm...

People who sell tax scams are asking for trouble for themselves and their customers who participate in them, said Eileen J. OConnor, Assistant Attorney General for the Justice Departments Tax Division. They and their customers temporarily enrich themselves at the expense of law-abiding taxpayers. The Justice Department and the Internal Revenue Service are determined to stamp out these scams.

As part of our 100Q set that commemorates tax scam artists, we add Bob Schultz, who currently runs "We the People". In addition to getting out the words on tax protestor strategies guaranteed to win a visit to the U.S. Bureau of Prisons, "We the People" shamelessly markets Interactive CD-ROMs on the unofficial "Truth in Taxation Hearings" for $29.95 and Bob Schultz's own "Tax Termination Package" for $39.95 containing various materials that Bob has sent the IRS and Congress over the years (and which undoubtedly were immediately placed into "File 13" where they belong).

"We the People" is also associated with indicted tax scammer and fellow Quatlooser Lynne Meredith. But not withstanding the indictment, "We the People" has continued to be one of the most aggressive marketers of bogus materials, going so far as to run full-page advertisements in USA Today (which you can -- shock -- also buy reprints of). They also sell phone services and similar junk more befitting of a bad multi-level marketing website than a group which purports to be political in nature.

But cheesy is as cheesy does. For his part, Bob Schultz has put on a show worthy of any professional wrestling extravaganza, threatening the IRS to arrest him (this was predictably toned down after Lynne Meredith was indicted) and even going on a hunger strike to draw attention to himself. Does Bob himself really believe this junk or is he just another 2-bit scammer with a penchant for wild marketing? Although Bob is obviously a few fries short of a Happy Meal, it is also evident that he is trying to make as much moolah as possible before the door slams on him too.

Notably, to try to squelch criticism and keep the scam alive, "We the People" have attacked websites such as Quatloos! that have criticized them, including signing us up for literally tens-of-thousands of spam e-mail messages (thank goodness for spam blockers!). Childish, but perfectly in tune with this scam.

Another bit of BS he promotes:

We The People .... the court permitted testimony that the groups leader advocated filing UCC-1 financing statements against anyone with whom an individual had a grievance, in order to cloud their credit and clog the legal system.

'We The People' is the organization that filed a lawsuit for hand-counted ballots.

Interesting comment by Nancy Tobi:

This 10-state (now supposedly 50) lawsuit is being lobbed by a heretofore unheard of group (at least unheard of to those of us involved in the election integrity movement), including one fellow involved in tax evasion issues and at least two known racists, including one (our NH plaintiff) who serves as both town moderator (chief election officer) and apparent cult leader.

In email correspondence with a known attorney in the election integrity movement, Plaintiff Bob Schulz admits they don't necessarily have the resources (financial or otherwise) even to fight the suit in each state.

This all begs the this question: is the lawsuit we want to have defining election law for us?

Are we being set up to take a fall from a badly organized, unfunded, questionable lawsuit?

A major plaintiff is a racist, anti-semite, homophobic cult-leader of a 100,000 strong hate-group: Douglas Bersaw, aka Brother Anthony Mary-

The Boston Globe quoted Brother Anthony Mary, whose real name is Douglas Bersaw, blaming the Jews for the murder of Christ and denying the World War II Holocaust: "There's a lot of controversy among people who study the so-called Holocaust. There's a misperception that Hitler had a position to kill all the Jews. It's all a fraud. Six million people it didn't occur."

"In a recent speech, movement leader Brother Anthony Mary declared that 'the perpetual enemy of Christ is the Jewish nation' and went on to say Jews aim to 'destroy all Christian nations'. He concluded with a chilling statement-'Jews are the synagogue of Satan,' a phrase that is also part of the neo-Nazi Aryan Nations.

"Brother Anthony Mary's movement is perhaps the largest anti-Semitic force in the United States today, with at least 100,000 followers and tens of millions of dollars in assets."

Do let us know, Vickie, how your hoped-for meeting with Schultz works out. Though why you'd care to meet such a person, I cannot imagine.
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