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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-10-08 11:38 AM
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About the NH votes ....(Important)
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Guys, I have not endorsed or discussed a candidate publicly. So this is not me whining about "my candidate" losing or something of that sort. I have yet to publicly make any statement about any candidate on the Democratic side and I would urge you to try and prove otherwise and not just take my word for it.

So when I say I have serious concerns about the difference in returns vs. polling, I am not doing so in support for any candidate. We here have long argued against the use of Diebold machines and with good reason. We here have long demanded that no matter who the winner of any election is, that elections simply be fair. Yet faced with the ultimate test of having to ask that question when it goes against our personal interests, we have not acted consistent with our position.

There are real and serious issues in NH and the strange results delivered by machines we have long argued are not acceptable. Yet, these very same Diebold machines are now being argued by one side as delivering a solid win and people who ask questions are being attacked with the "sour grapes" line. Does that attack not sound familiar when we asked those same questions about the 2004 election? If we take this route, are we not becoming the very thing we have so long worked to stop?

There are a few people, I won't name names, who have been exceptionally psychotic about their own candidate and there has been very serious infighting because of that. But step away from your own interests and your own chosen candidate for a moment, and simply look at the issue. Ask yourself, does it matter that we have fair elections? If the answer is yes, then your own support of a particular candidate becomes secondary.

As I have said, I have not made any comments endorsing any candidate or any comments to detract from the qualities of any candidates. My interest is in fair and honest elections. I do not believe that what we witnessed in NH is fair and honest. I don't know why the results are the way that they are and I don't believe Mrs. Clinton is responsible for the problem (it could very well be interests other than those relating to the candidates, who are simply hoping to pit their candidates of choice in the general election). I don't know, and thus far, no answer has been satisfactory, for me anyway. I want to know what happened. Don't you? And if you don't, is it because your candidate won? If that is the answer, then how are you different from the Republicans who in 2004 attacked all of us as simply crying over our loss?

We have to ask these questions, no matter who wins. We have to be able to trust the results. So I ask you please, in good faith - that you will not go crazy and attack one another - to examine what Brad Friedman has put together. Examine his findings as a person interested in fair elections, not as an Obama supporter or Clinton supporter. This conversation should be had, not censored and it should be had as rational, intelligent adults interested in democracy. With respect to Skinner, knowing his position, I have to ask that we have an honest discussion here and learn what we can. Please review Brad Friedman's writing on this topic.

I do believe Andy watches us, let's make him proud.
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