Reply #65: wow - so much belligerence - it is staggering

[Neil B Forzod]

I don't know where you got your "information" but you certainly don't cite anything and as far as I am aware, the majority of what you say is flat wrong.

You don't cite anything either, Kathy. I do believe that "as far as you are aware" the majority of what I say is flat wrong, but my entire point is that you aren't actually "aware".

That aside, I have personally seen a demonstration of not only the ES&S VVPAT paper rolls you claim do not exist, but I have also personally, with my own eyes, seen the system for counting their paper rolls.

I didn't say "they don't exist". Pay attention. They do not have a certified product. Not federally. Not in any state. As a result their unit is not actually available. Their unit is not currently for sale, and (to the best of my knowledge) hasn't been part of any RFP. As a result they have not sold a single VVPAT unit. They are last of the big vendors to come out with one, which I said. They may have a system for counting the paper rolls, as you say. In fact I'm sure they do. It's not certified. And it doesn't have any customers either. Diebold demonstrated a VVPAT unit back in July of last year -- but it wasn't certified or available until spring of this year. So while you may have "personally seen" a "demonstration" of something from ES&S, get it right when you post about it on the internet. It's vaporware until it's actually available for purchase. And your contention that it's more independently-auditable than other vendors' similar products because of a bar code is just ridiculous for reasons I already pointed out.

Your outrageously false allegations are slanderous and obvious lies.

I haven't made a single allegation, "outrageous", "false" or otherwise. Nor have I lied, not even once. Your own post is full of misinformation, as I have pointed out. My information is easily verified by anyone actually inclined to bother. Your belligerence doesn't actually make your case any stronger, just obnoxious.

Despite your delusions, you are not all-knowing and omnipotent and what you imagine inside your own head as the facts are NOT EVEN CLOSE TO REALITY.

OK, Kathy. Whatever. :eyes:

You seem to have no qualms about inventing all sorts of "facts" which are obviously untrue to support your position.

I'll avoid the temptation to post a bunch of links to the since-retracted revisions "1 through N" of various USCV papers as my ironic rebuttal to accusations of 'inventing all sorts of "facts" which are obviously untrue to support (my) position'.

Please stop iventing lies to defame me just because I do not agree with your position and get a grip on reality.

My only "position" is that it's extremely irresponsible for you to tell a bunch activists not to investigate a particular vendor and to just blindly lobby their local officials to adopt that vendor's products. Especially when the vendor in question is as demonstrably problematic as ES&S. Obviously you disagree, since you're the one doing the shilling. *shrug*


(And if you don't want anyone to question your motives, don't pander for donations while shilling for a vendor. It's too easy for people to associate the two. Better to separate the posts.)


Neil