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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 05:55 PM
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55. it's rationalism, not nihilism
The evidentiary standards in civil court (9 out of 12 jurors, unreasonable doubts implicitly permitted) have more to do with the perception of truth than the empirical establishment of it. And that's fine, Lord Blackstone would want it that way, otherwise you get the infinite Talmudic debates like you see here.

Election NIHILISM is now status quo? I struggle to find the right word for this state of affairs where voters don't matter.

I won't speak for OTOH, but nihilism to me means believing that humans act deterministically, and their intentions can be divined more accurately from an exit poll sample of <0.05% than the voters' stated intentions (as established in the NH recount, for instance, even though the NH exit poll deviated twice as much as Ohio's, the focal point of the hijinks investigation). That doesn't prove Bush tried to steal NH, VT, and MA; if anything, it implies an inverse correlation between early exit poll "blue shift" and hotspots of fraud/suppression (FL, OH, and NM were all within the margin of error, yet they're the least believable results; VT and MA don't let republicans near the levers of power).

but given OTOH's statement above challenging the very memory of voters as being unreliable as guide to how they actually voted in 2000 even under exit polls circumstances where there is no reason to believe there will be consequences to honest responses, we are now left with the following:

No amount of EVIDENCE, nor any amount of a voter's MEMORY, will be allowed to impeach RESULTS for which there is no basis for confidence in the first place.

Behavioral science doesn't exist just to give people headaches, it's something of an emerging science (albeit a primitive one). But the notion that people's recollection fades over time is a theory like evolution is a theory. (hands mic to OTOH)
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