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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-17-05 04:52 PM
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47. OTOH has indirectly shown us the Abyss of elections
Given the radical uncertainty to which all election conclusions are subject, given conditions of data secrecy and analysis secrecy, the comment by otoh above (critiquing TruthIsAll for assuming that what someone *reports* as their vote in 2000 is necessarily the same or a one to one correspondence to who they *actually* voted for) is very interesting.

Before I say why, consider also that legally speaking nothing is 'admissible' in terms of evidence extrinsic to the ballots themselves to impeach (or otherwise change) a ballot's votes; i.e. the ballot stands alone and even if one could (but this would be illegal, due to ballot secrecy) find one's own ballot and argue forcefully for a correction to the votes on that ballot, that evidence would not be heard by a court and allowed to affect the ballot's votes. (Perhaps a hypothetical voter, based perhaps on a lifetime history of voting a certain way cobmined with repeated announcement to friends and family of both one's intent to vote a certain way and one having actually voted that way might make such a challenge with abundant evidence, but it would still not be heard)

So, given the lack of any basis for confidence in election results/conclusions we are left very uncertain. Given the legal inability to change the ballot even with abundant evidence we are rendered helpless, but given OTOH's statement above challenging the very memory of voters as being unreliable as guide to how they actually voted in 2000 even under exit polls circumstances where there is no reason to believe there will be consequences to honest responses, we are now left with the following:

No amount of EVIDENCE, nor any amount of a voter's MEMORY, will be allowed to impeach RESULTS for which there is no basis for confidence in the first place.

Election NIHILISM is now status quo? I struggle to find the right word for this state of affairs where voters don't matter.

WE seem to be staring down an electoral abyss of no escape, if we accept principles like otoh suggests (this is more due to the underlying lack of basis for confidence, but otoh's position is another necessary component).

As such, democracy has vertigo.

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