You are viewing an obsolete version of the DU website which is no longer supported by the Administrators. Visit The New DU.
Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Reply #2: I think E/M were sloppy-wrong here [View All]

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Election Reform Donate to DU
OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 07:19 PM
Response to Original message
2. I think E/M were sloppy-wrong here
I'm not sure that anyone noticed this issue until a few weeks ago (Bruce O'Dell noticed that the alphas in his regressions seemed too high), but it probably takes a bigger alpha to yield a 6.5-point mean WPE.

It's sort of a nasty calculation to estimate, because WPE is a mess. But I just roughed out that for a precinct that is really 51.5% Bush to have a -6.5 WPE, it takes about a 7-point difference in completion rates; if it were really 80% Bush or 20% Bush, maybe an 11-point difference.

The actual numbers are going to be all over the map, but if you stare hard at page 12 of the O'Dell paper, you'll see that it implies an average alpha of somewhere around 1.158 (because the average ln alpha will be around 0.1467). So that could be interpreted as a bit under an 8-point gap, say, about 56.9% to 49.1% (if we are trying to hit about 53% overall), which seems to fit with what I roughed out.

At this point, I don't think that this matters much because (1) I don't have any strong prior assumptions about how bad the response bias could be, and (2) the vote shift models I've seen create a slope that doesn't show up in the E/M scatterplot. Some folks find it crazy to think a poll could be that far off, but that scatterplot is a mess, so I figure the poll was a mess, too. But we need more out of E/M, and we need to keep thinking about what kinds of wholesale fraud would be consistent with the data we have.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Election Reform Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC