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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-05 12:56 PM
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174. Thanks so much for continuing this effort LL!
Would you be willing to write a summary of your efforts so far, county by county, and start a new thread about it?

I think what is not well-known, but you and others on this thread have pointed out, is that there is no way to identify the individual Election Day punch cards by precinct. This makes it impossible to tell if the cards were counted on the correct machines programmed to read the correct ballot orders.

As such, it would have been helpful for the BOEs NOT to allow Bush and Kerry to EVER occupy the same place in the ballot order, or at least not in any collocated precincts. That way, votes would be switched to third party candidates which would be detected in large numbers, instead of being switched between Bush and Kerry, which would not be detected.

What it all boils down to is that we are at the mercy of the poll workers and the vendors. Who can be trusted and who can't? Hard for us to know. But it certainly seems that the process itself presents ample opportunity for fraud and this is disturbing.

At least Op Scan ballots would have the candidates' names printed on them! It's worth the extra $0.30 per ballot to have verifiable elections!

Here in NY, we only rotate ballot order in Primaries, because in that case, you have several candidates running for the same office from the same party. It's only fair not to always have the same one at the top of the "ticket" in each race. But in a general election, there's really no good reason to rotate ballot order, esp. if there's no way to verify the correct handling of individual ballots. Here in NY, I think ballot order in general elections goes according to the party of the Governor. After all, he/she WAS elected, and this prevents the kind of switching we've suspected in Ohio.

Let's see if any of the so-called experts examining Ohio come to the same conclusions. If not, they need to go back to election school, IMO!

Thanks again for all your hard work!
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