You are viewing an obsolete version of the DU website which is no longer supported by the Administrators. Visit The New DU.
Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Reply #30: Again, No Reference to the Studies of the Proposal [View All]

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
Home » Discuss » Places » Michigan Donate to DU
Hidden Stillness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #29
30. Again, No Reference to the Studies of the Proposal
Again, you did not refer to the studies by the League of Women Voters, Michigan Municipal League, and coalition against this proposal, all of whom studied it and how it would work, and all of whom warn against the increasing drain on the entire State budget by the changed funding rule for retirement/pensions. I did not study it, these other groups did and I quoted their results; again you did not read or answer them. "If you have a problem with the way they spend their money..." etc., was weird and insulting. Try to stick to an issue, whether it "frames" well or not. I don't know why you told me that "Local communities don't fund the retirement plans of Judges, State Police," etc. What does that have to do with anything, other than to change the subject?

The very problem is that this proposal will change the retirement funding for teachers, etc., from a local school-district to a State General Fund responsibility. The numbers do not add up, and it will take an increasing percentage of the State general fund. Please do not pretend that I made that up myself; read the studies from the groups I quoted, go to their websites, etc. "No amount of repetition is going to make it true"--that at least, is a fact, no matter who you work for. From the M.M.L. PDF "Why Proposal 5 is Wrong for Michigan," "Of the at least $565 million dollars Proposal 5 will require, $380 million is earmarked for teacher's pensions." Please address these findings, rather than going over your own "points" again.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 

Home » Discuss » Places » Michigan Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC