Reply #79: Please read what you just wrote and think about it.

[ThomCat]

You just said, "why try to succeed because they'll just ruin it any way." So should we just give them this horrible pre-ruined bill that they want so they won't ruin it any more?

:wtf:

Obama isn't trying to fix this system. He is working within it. He isn't challenging the lobbyists, or the blue dogs. he isn't challenging the corporate influence. He isn't fighting against them in any way to fix anything. He is working the system with them, as part of that system, inviting them all to the table and giving them what they want.

The only people he is NOT bringing to the table are the ones who want real reform, who want to give poor people what they need, and who want to give people without any insurance real access to health care without being victims of insurance companies.

This very flawed and horrible bill is what we get because nobody has the will for major reform, in health care, or in anything else.