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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 01:27 AM
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29. If liberals do this, they will be taken even LESS seriously in the future.
Edited on Wed Sep-09-09 01:32 AM by BzaDem
A bunch of liberals did this in 2000. To them, Gore was another "corporatist," and there was little difference between Gore and Bush. They went "batshit crazy" and voted for Nader. In addition to Bush winning, Nader's support was CUT IN 10 in 2004. So not only did the "batshit crazy liberals" get Bush elected (which they intended), but they lost 90% of their caucus (which they did not intend). They did not move the Democratic party further to the left at all. They simply made irrelevant the only competing party to the left of the Democrats as anything other than a laughing stock.

The exact same thing would happen if liberals kill healthcare reform. Those that did would begin to develop the same reputation as the Naderites. Once Republicans take control of Congress, people will be saying the Democratic party's biggest mistake was to reject the compromise that could have been built upon later. People will lose faith in the Democratic party's ability to govern for at least a decade, and those that caused it will become pariahs within their own party.

In this scenario, people will look back on that moment as a lesson that progressives need to compromise when necessary. And in particular, people would realise that those that don't see this lesson need to be forced out of ALL positions of power. They won't be given committee chairmanships, and eventually they won't be given support for re-election. It would be relatively easy to primary a progressive who killed healthcare reform.

The real way to get liberals to be taken seriously is to have them win elections. Not to act "batshit-crazy" out of cognitive dissonance. To win elections. Liberals will be taken seriously when they are no longer a minority. Right now, liberals are a minority of both houses of Congress. It amazes me how otherwise smart people fail to comprehend this.
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