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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-07-09 10:28 AM
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114. That you don't see it as divisive says everything
Edited on Sun Jun-07-09 10:32 AM by karynnj
The fact is that Kerry and Gore both got a significantly higher percent of the vote even if you look just to the point they won the nomination. That just indicates that they were FAR more popular than any other candidate running in the years they ran. That the votes were lower simply means there was little contest - very few people vote in June primaries (I know NJ until last year was in June) when the nomination was decided in April. To suggest their commanding primaries wins were less than HRC's loss is very strange.

As to the general election, elections are not like duplicate bridge - you don't play the same hands. There are models that take in things like the economy and other conditions and predict which party will win. Those models pretty much predicted the Democrats would win in a landslide in 2008. Obama did win and did so in a very classy way that has made it easier to heal a deeply divided country. The same models showed that Bush was likely to win by the margin Obama did - when in fact, Kerry came VERY close to winning - and he did so with everything stacked against him, including variables not in the model - such as a biased media. Kerry exceeded the expectations - but, not enough to win. (That all it would have taken was a fair election in Ohio shows had things been fair, he would have won an incredible upset victory.)

Saying that Clinton, who took all her advantages and lost to Obama while showing a very ugly side, was a better candidate does not convince me. As to the House and Senate wins, Kerry's actions in 2005 and 2006 were among the most helpful for those wins. (You might want to look at the fact that HRC switched her Iraq plan in 2007 to be a variation of K/F which she trashed in 2006 - even to parroting language Kerry used on pushing Iraqis to make the hard decisions they needed to make.)

The fact though is that as I said that comment led to me and other Kerry supporters disagreeing with what was said. The fact is that it was a gratuitous insult to two very honorable men - who have both fought very hard for things they have believed in over their entire adult lives. They did fight every bit as hard as HRC did. (In fact, what bothered me in the very late primaries was people equating throwing mud to fighting hard. What I saw, with Gore and Kerry, was each working as hard as they could to sell a vision. I watched 2004 and 2008 very closely - and if you looked at Kerry's schedule he was working 16 hour days. If anything, he was out more per day than HRC was.)

To say that Kerry and Gore didn't fight as hard to win a general election as Clinton did to win the nomination is a pretty offensive attack on them - especially Kerry, because of the damage Bush had already done. The fact is he worked his heart out - as did his family and they did it even as the media allowed a character assassination of both Teresa and John Kerry.
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