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[quakerboy]

Not just shutting up. Thats what this whole civil liberties thing is about.

That said, I think that those complaining the most are really damaging their own chances of enacting policy on any of their issues. Whether you are a Centrist concerned about the liberal Obama, or a leftist concerned about the centrist Obama, What are the chances that losing this election will help any of the causes you care about? If Obama is elected, there is a chance he will be with you, whoever you are. McCain will not.

Taking it a step further, What is the likelihood that the party, in defeat, will suddenly embrace your brand of Liberality? Defeat will merely widen the gaps in our coalition. And will the Republicans winning now in any way bring their party toward the center? No, it will continue its headlong drive out as far into right field as they can go. The foul line will be the new center. And that should concern us all.

Win. In winning, there is opportunity. In losing there is merely more empty arguments about what should have been, and in 4 more years the democrat will in truth be a Republican, and the Republican will be a Facist. Even more than you may think it already is that way.