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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:48 PM
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After watching TeamClinton operate OPENLY the last 6 months, have any of you changed your
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opinion about the likelihood that Clintons and their loyalists undermined any Dem leader who came forward to oppose Bush and lead the Dems since 2001?

Not too long ago, it seemed most Dems here wouldn't even contemplate that this could be true. Now that you've seen the level of deceits performed OPENLY against Obama, shouldn't historian Douglas Brinkley's observations from April 2004 get another look?

Historian Douglas Brinkley Offers Insights on John Kerry, Vietnam & Campaign 2004 in Crain Lecture

April 5, 2004, Greencastle, Ind. - "People thought I was nuts doing a book on John Kerry," author and historian Douglas Brinkley said this afternoon in a Gertrude and G.D. Crain Jr. Lecture at DePauw University. Brinkley's book, Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War, was released in January, when Kerry's presidential campaign was floundering and getting little media attention. Audio Link"In December, nobody thought that Kerry was anything -- that he was done -- and I was marketing my book essentially as a Vietnam book, the story of the Vietnam War through one person. Even when I started doing big national media to launch my book in January -- just a few months ago -- I was told to try not to talk about Kerry because nobody cared."

The Iowa Caucus on January 19 changed everything, Brinkley told a standing room only crowd in Watson Forum of DePauw's Eugene S. Pulliam Center for Contemporary Media, for the candidate, the author and his book. A national best-seller, Tour of Duty tells of Senator Kerry's heroism during the Vietnam War. Brinkley persuaded Kerry to give him access to journals Kerry kept during the conflict, which provide detailed and sometimes jarring accounts of what life was like for troops in Southeast Asia.

Whom does the biographer think his subject will pick as a running mate? Not Hillary Rodham Clinton. Audio Link"There's really two different Democratic parties right now: there's the Clintons and Terry McAuliffe and the DNC and then there's the Kerry upstarts. John Kerry had one of the great advantages in life by being considered unable to get the nomination in December. He watched every Democrat in the country flee from him, and the Clintons really stick the knife in his back a bunch of times, so he's able to really see who was loyal to him and who wasn't. That's a very useful thing in life."

Should we wonder anew WHY Bill chose summer 2004 to publicly defend Bush throughout his high profile book tour while the Dem nominee was leading the criticism of Bush's Iraq decisions? Shouldn't Dems have spent that time getting to know their nominee better and defending HIM instead of rehashing defense of Bill's presidency while Bill all the while was defending Bush? /

Should we really believe that Carville was acting on his own when he called the WH on election night and sabotaged Ohio Dem voters?

Some of us believe Hillary2008 was running since 2000. There are reports that they even undermined Gore's race to keep their own grip on the party.

I believe right now that Hillary2012 has been running since Super Tuesday, especially since Clintons have KNOWN the math is not there for them since shortly after that day.

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