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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 01:28 PM
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20. Thanks, venable...... great words....
Edited on Sat Jan-27-07 02:17 PM by charles t



(Addendum: Venable, upon re-reading your succinct comment (#15), it dawns upon me that I may be exhibiting a irony-impaired state...... ie, that you comment may have been a chide to John Edwards, & an attempt to get Edwards to re-focus on a previous, more balanced, position.

Consequently, I perhaps mis-interpreted your post as a defense of Edward's recent beating of the Iran war drums.

If so, please accept my apology.

I would, however, still be interested in the source of your quotation.)




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I would be most encouraged if I heard such statements from John Edwards now.

I, like others, was attracted to Edwards as a 2008 candidate precisely because of his clear criticism of the Iraq War, and was inclined to forgive him for his support of the IWR in 2002. (Perhaps that is not much. I must admit that I myself made the same error, & my ambivalent feelings at the time do little to erase my error.)

But I am troubled by his recent statements, in particular his speech at Herzliya, the complete transcript of which is at http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Edwards_Iran_must_know_world_wont_0123.html .

It seems difficult to accept your interpretation that "educating the American people" refers to spreading the knowledge that "the greatest danger to world peace is Israel bombing Iran".

Nowhere did Edwards even get close to mentioning to his Israeli audience that there was any danger whatsoever to "Israel bombing Iran". Not only did he not mention it, the entire tenor of his speech contradicted this.

Specifically, his statement about "educating the American people" concerned how to deal with an American public which, concerned about the Iraq war, would be "reticent" about "going into Iran", so that these "reticent" Americans would "come along" with "what needs to be done with Iran."

The entire exchange:




Question and Answer:

Cheryl Fishbein from NY: When you do learning of Jewish texts, you give credit to ideas of scholars who have helped you ask questions, I would like to give credit to my friends and colleagues who have had this same overriding question of shared a existential threat: Would you be prepared, if diplomacy failed, to take further action against Iran? I think there is cynicism about the ability of diplomacy to work in this situation. Secondly, you as grassroots person, who has an understanding of the American people, is there understanding of this threat across US?

A (John Edwards): My analysis of Iran is if you start with the President of Iran coming to the UN in New York denouncing America and his extraordinary and nasty statements about the Holocaust and goal of wiping Israel off map, married with his attempts to obtain nuclear weapons over a long period of time, they are buying time. They are the foremost state sponsors of terrorism. If they have nuclear weapons, other states in the area will want them, and this is unacceptable.

As to what to do, we should not take anything off the table. More serious sanctions need to be undertaken, which cannot happen unless Russia and China are seriously on board, which has not happened up until now. I would not want to say in advance what we would do, and what I would do as president, but there are other steps that need to be taken. Fore example, we need to support direct engagement with Iranians, we need to be tough. But I think it is a mistake strategically to avoid engagement with Iran.

As to the American people, this is a difficult question. The vast majority of people are concerned about what is going on in Iraq. This will make the American people reticent toward going for Iran. But I think the American people are smart if they are told the truth, and if they trust their president. So Americans can be educated to come along with what needs to be done with Iran.

Transcript at http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/Edwards_Iran_must_know_world_wont_0123.html




It would be comforting to hear Edwards balancing such talk with statement such as the one you quoted



"the greatest danger to world peace is Israel bombing Iran"
quoth John Edwards.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3080943#3081223





But Googling this quotation did not lead to finding an internet source for such a quotation by Edwards.

I then tried removing the quotation marks.....

then tried Googling "John Edwards" + "greatest danger to world peace" -- http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22john+edwards%22+++%22greatest+danger+to+world+peace%22+&btnG=Search --> still no success.

Could you possible provide a link, or a date, context, or some sort of documentation for your about quotation of Edwards criticizing an Israeli pre-emptive bombing of Iran?

Has Edwards made recent statements criticizing a pre-emptive Israeli bombing of Iran?

Has he changed his opinion that such an Israeli act would threaten world peace?

Or does Edwards think that a pre-emptive attack on Iran is so unlikely that, even though it represents, in his view "the greatest danger to world peace" that there is no need to mention his belief when discussing, with an Israeli audience, what is needed to get a "reticent" American public to "come along" with "what needs to be done with Iran"?


































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