Reply #8: Thank you for your confidence in me Hope

[Time for change]

I think that the main problem with the DNC report was that, though it did have good parts to it, it failed to consider certain kinds of fraud.

I don't think that that is necessarily a sign of corruption, or even dishonesty, but rather basic human nature. I'm sure that there are millions of well meaning Americans who simply don't want to consider the possibility that our democracy is in such bad shape that an election could be stolen. If you're in denial, or if you don't seriously believe that you're going to find something, you just don't think about all the possibilities, even if you're the one analyzing the data IMO. In other words, the more you believe that something is there, the greater likelihood that you will find it.

I was not able to contact the reporters from the NY Times. I understand (I can't remember from where, maybe I dreamed it) that they are under strict orders not to give out information on this.

However, I did get hold of a member of ACT, as I briefly alluded to in my OP. His name is Julian Rogers, and I had a very long and interesting conversation with him. He had worked non-stop for over 24 hours I believe, by the time the polls closed in Ohio. The atmosphere was one of jubilation and celebration, having spent most of the day guarding the long lines in Cleveland, trying to convince voters not the leave the lines, feeding them, etc. They just knew that it had been a very successful day, were convinced that turnout was extra-ordinarily high in Cleveland, and that Kerry had won the election. But since he was so tired, he decided to sleep for a while before celebrating. He just couldn't believe what had happened when he woke up a couple hours later.

And yet, even he hadn't seriously thought about a stolen election until I spoke with him on the telephone about what I was doing and trying to find out. And BTW he's running for state Rep. in 06. And he did refer me to what he considered to be a very good source, to whom I've written about a week ago, but haven't heard back from yet.

I had a very similar experience in Pennsylvania that day. The ground game there was so good that they couldn't even find work for most of us volunteers. I waited around in a restaurant for a couple of hours with a couple of dozen other volunteers, and our leader came in at about three o'clock and told us that he was sorry he didn't have work for us, because they had gotten all the voters on the list within a very large radius to the polls already. People there were quite confident. I couldn't believe that Kerry carried Pennsylvania by only 2%.