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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-05 10:05 PM
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116. Here's part of what happened....
Edited on Tue Oct-11-05 10:06 PM by autorank
Eye On Ohio:

http://hamburgsteak.sandwich.net/mirrors/EyeOnOhio /

Ideally, the discussion here will demonstrate--to some degree--that there was an attempt by various individuals, as possibly coordinated attempts, to "dishonestly deprive people of their legal rights." In our justice system, the standard of "reasonable suspicion" is the standard used to determine if the police can stop your car and search for drugs, sometimes if a warrant can be issued for you arrest, etc. Basically, it refers to the facts or circumstances which would lead a reasonable person to suspect that a crime has been, is being, or will be committed.6 Is there reasonable suspicion of a crime (i.e. fraud) here? Would a reasonable person, upon reviewing the following, suspect a crime has been, or is being, committed?

Voters told they can't vote.
Voters scared away from the polls.
Election officials conspiring to deprive African-American precincts of voting machines
Election officials prohibiting individuals from viewing public documents?
There being more ballots cast than registered voters?
Having your ballot already marked for Bush?
Having voting companies "fiddle" with machines during a recount, when the machines were not malfunctioning
Having the voting company instruct poll workers on how to read "cheat sheets"
The exit polls being so off the mark, when they are traditionally quite reliable.

Any of these would give rise to a reasonable suspicion that fraud has been committed, and would prompt an investigation. Yet, despite all this, there has not been any real investigation by the proper authorities into this issue.

For all those saying that there is not enough evidence to investigate, realize that what was described in this paper would be enough to issue warrants, to interrogate individuals, to possibly arrest. For all those crying out that there is no actionable fraud, realize that legally, there is not only a reasonable suspicion, but likely probable cause to believe fraud occurred in Ohio.

Finally, for those who say there hasn't been definitive proof of fraud, it must be said that asking for proof of fraud before it's been investigated is illogical. The evidence presented here, the totality of the circumstances, is such that the burden should now shift to the implicated parties to prove that the election was cleanand legitimate.
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