Reply #23: unconvincing

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Hi, I have read some of these threads on the "no plane" speculation. I agree that the "eyewitnesses" probably didn't get to see very much of the planes and even if they did it is probably very hard for them to remember specifics. So all we have is the videos. But what you list as "reasons to think there is not a real plane in the video" is quite unconvincing, to say the least.


>>1) the abnormal bulge under the starboard wing<<

There has been some speculation as to what this bulge may be, none of which was based on the idea that the plane is not real. So whether or not the bulge was really there - there is no reason to believe that only a manufactured video could explain the images.


>>2) the way the plane goes in without slowing, breaking, crumpling or exploding upon contact<<

Again, there were some ideas put forward to explain the smooth entering of the plane - an explosion as evidenced by a flash, or whatever. Even if someone has a problem with the idea that a fast moving plane would easily break the steel columns, it is not necessary to assume that the only explanation would be the manufacturing of the video.


>>3) the way the fragile tail section and wingtips slide through massive steel columns<<

That is an incorrect observation. We cannot see the fragile sections "slide through massive steel columns". What we can see is a dark line, probably a cloud along the building where these fragile plane sections hit. From images taken at a later stage that do not show fractured columns at these locations it is safe to assume that the more fragile parts did in fact not enter the building at all, but were destroyed upon impact and probably split into small pieces, which is compatible with the appearance of a dark dust cloud.


>>4) the odd behaviour of the dust cloud that appears between the fuselage and starbaord wing in frames 5 and 6 -- it suddenly disappears in frame 7<<

Again, this is not what we can see. This dust cloud is indeed remarkable, IMO, since it appears where the "bulge" would have entered the building. But it does not "suddenly disappear", it clearly merges with the dust cloud from the starboard engine and there is nothing odd about that.


>>5) early frames of the video seem to have a plane inserted on top of a panned still:<<

As soon as the plane is seen, the camera perspective changes. Therefore it is very hard to determine whether or not the clouds are moving, but they actually look quite different (I compared two stills, b-0113.jpg and b-0103.jpg, and the location and appearance of the clouds differs significantly). For some reason I could not open the images from "the early frames" at the site you provided as reference (jpg error in Photoshop).


So, apart from some "rendering mistakes" in some video stills, you have cited no real reason in support of the claim that there were no real planes in the videos.