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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-17-05 03:16 PM
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8. Two planes
Paul, nobody in the article states that there was a U-turn. In fact the article analyses ALL theoretical possiblities.

The treeline is definitely west northwest of the crash site as can be seen on all photos and maps. Moreover this is exactly what eyewitnesses from northwest state: They see a plane coming in from northwest vanishing behind the treeline. Then it crashed "within seconds" fine.
Then we have four witnesses in the east who see or hear a plane. Fine as well.
Based on this the article analysed all scenarios.
It's simple as that: Just tell me which scenario do you think is plausible and have a look at the mentioned problems and let's discuss them.

About the statement "within seconds".
The witnesses see a plane coming in from northwest and crashing "within seconds" after vanishing behind the treeline. Maybe this could have been 30 seconds later but then the very same plane would have been at Indian Lake. Ok. But now it in fact has to do a U-turn. This is the only logical solution if exactly this plane is supposed to crash in the official crash site. A plane from New York that crashed in Dallas and is seen by witnesses in LA has to do a U-turn if it is supposed to be the same plane that crashed in Dallas.
Nowhere does the article state what happened.
But not a single scenario that corresponds to the official nor to a last minute shoot down decision doesn't conflict heavily with the presented evidence.

Jim Stop:
He not only sees the plane of course he heard it, too.
The same goes for people inside Indian Lake Marina.
But, even if the plane went east and they got it wrong. This scenario is dealt with in the article as well.

And for the raining debris;
As shown in the article there is one witness in New Baltimore and the article clearly implies that the debris was there NOT 52 minutes after the crash.
In fact there is not a single witness who supports the wind thesis. Not a single one. Indian Lake Marina is about 1 1/2 miles east. The people heat the crash run outside and see the raining debris. This is certainly not nine minutes later.
Two articles clearly state that a plane lost debris.
The State Trooper reported 911 calls.
Btw there were also stuff found that was heavier than paper.
Btw even the wind directio as seen on webfairy video and numerous photos where you can see the smoke (therefore before 12:00) seem to contradict the official wind direction.

And nowhere does the article state that the raining debris necessite a second plane. Only a plane that crossed the area where the debris was found. Unfortunately this cannot be a plane that came from northwest and crashed BEFORE crossing Indian Lake.

I'm one of the authors and I have worked on the white plane see: First part of "... and kiss the official UA 93 theory good-bye!" and I've worked on the innumerous contradictions in "UA 93: Too many phone calls" and on the impossibility of the 10:03:11 crash time in view of Jeremy Glick's phone call.
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