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Flatulo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-26-08 11:59 PM
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182. Time for a second helping of crow.
I'm sorry I was glib in my earlier responses to your posts.

It's too easy to forget that anonymous forum posters are real people with thier own thoughts and ideas. We can sometimes say things that we would never say face to face. Plus I was in a heated discussion with another poster and my emotions spilled over. Mea Culpa.

Part of the problem is that the Truth Movement has so many shitty and dishonest characters that, for me at least, it has marginalized what the more thoughtful reaearchers have to say. (There are a few exceptions here on DU, most notably JackRiddler, who has displayed the utmost fairness and integrity in his posts.)

Anyway, I did watch "9/11 Press for Truth" and I have to say that I was very impressed. It was a first-rate production, and my heart goes out to all the 9/11 families and survivors who have not had their questions answered.

While I do not doubt the veracity of all the claims made in the documentary, I do wonder if everything is quite so sinister when viewed in a different context.

For example, everyone by now knows about the August PDB and the lies that the Administration told in regards to the warnings. But what I haven't seen discussed is what was the typical volume of terror warnings in the time frame of interest. How many threats per day come in through our intelligence apparatus? Is is 10, or 10,000? Was the signal-to-noise ratio sufficiently shitty that the import of the warning was attenuated?

I've asked this question before in the Dungeon, and I don't recall anyone answering it.

Another claim that I hadn't heard before was the safe-passage of the al Qaeda fighters from the north into Pakistan. Again, assuming that this really happened, I wonder what the circumstances were in Afghan airspace at the time. Did we have AWACS in the air? Afghanistan had no airforce, so would it have been necessary to blanket the entire country with aerial reconnaissance?

Even if the flight happened with US knowledge, there may have been some Afghan cultural angle to it. The Afghans have a long history of fighting among the different warlord groups. One side wins, they slaughter some token amount of the captives, then they let everyone else escape so they can fight some more later. Again, I am not trying to be glib about this, but my reading tells me that this is not so far from the truth of Afghan politics.

I believe all the claims made in the documentary can be explained by a frantic ass-covering and flag-waving campaign by the Administration. While this is morally reprehensible, it is not atypical behavior by the government. Any government.

Anyway, I am convinced that there are enough unanswered questions to warrant a new investigation, and I have held this position for some time. Clearly there was a lot of knowledge in various pipelines that was not acted upon. If we don't understand what went wrong, then there is no assurance that it won't happen again.

PS: I don't believe CD theories and won't discuss them here. Maybe in the Dungeon.
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