Reply #39: The discussion continues

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The WTC no-plane theories are a danger
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=12063&mesg_id=12063

Some characters are STILL insisting that ALL FOUR 9:11 planes' FAA records are bogus.
When did these records become bogus?
Before, during, or after September 11, 2001?
What about the other records of other planes on the same database?
Are they bogus as well?

In any case, that particular discussion belongs in this thread.

136.
AMERICAN AIRLINES AND UNITED AIRLINES

lost NOTHING.
Furthermore, those two companies have been intertwining themselves in a manner that is most destructive to regular people,
and the FAA has been constrained.

8/30/01 8:31 PM
DALLAS (AP) -- The Inspector General of the Transportation Department has agreed to review allegations that the Federal Aviation Administration didn't conduct a thorough investigation of American Airlines' safety practices.
In a 14-page letter to Inspector General Kenneth Mead, American Airlines Capt. Rich Rubin accused the FAA's southwest regional office of lax enforcement and collusion with the airline.
http://www.airlineinvestigationunit.com/aiu/ap010830.htm

Liotine informed his supervisors and a corporate vice-president about these violations, but he was ignored. He then told the FAA. Afterwards Liotine, who was president of the Machinists' union local in Oakland at the time, was removed from office by the union and placed on paid administrative leave by the airline. Liotine claims that he and his family have since received anonymous threats.
The FAA inspector who investigated the allegations recommended an $8.7 million fine against Alaska Airlines, but he was overruled by FAA officials in Los Angeles, who reduced the proposed fine to $44,000. However, federal authorities decided to pursue criminal charges, an indication that the violations were conscious and “willful” and involved higher level officials at Alaska Airlines.
In February 1999 federal prosecutors met with Alaska Airlines officials and their attorneys. An FAA inspector who attended the meeting wrote in a memo that the airline appeared to be more concerned with building a legal defense than addressing safety issues. Alaska's concern for safety, he said, “was secondary to finding out what and who we had on them.”
These revelations are part of mounting evidence of more general deficiencies in air safety in the US, and a degree of laxity in enforcing safety standards on the part of the FAA that verges on outright collusion with the airline carriers and Boeing
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/feb2000/alas-f19.shtml

As you can see, the FAA inspectors
are treated in much the same manner
as that in which Collen Rowley and the Minnesota FBI
are treated by Mueller's fraternity.

Dec. 14 2001 – Continental, Delta and Northwest filed an emergency motion with the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) to require British Airways to make available its strategic planning study that includes information pertinent to the case.
Dec. 12 – Delta filed a complaint with the European Commission requesting a formal inquiry to determine if the proposed alliance infringes on EC competition law.
Nov. 27 – Twenty U.S. Senators urged the Bush Administration to deny antitrust immunity. In addition, several state governors have said the alliance will put their states at a competitive disadvantage by preventing them from improving their states’ international air service
Nov. 7 – The U.S. Senate Subcommittee on Antitrust, Business Rights & Competition conducted a hearing on the proposed American Airlines-British Airways arrangements.
http://www.continental.com/vendors/default.asp?SID=9DE177626E9C43C683B...

U.S. Department of Justice Opposes American Airlines-British Airways Combination
WASHINGTON, D.C., December 17, 2001 -- The proposed transatlantic alliance between American Airlines (AA) and British Airways (BA) is so highly anticompetitive that it has been opposed by the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ), according to three major U.S. airlines.
Under the proposed alliance scheme, American and British Airways would be a whopping 300 percent larger than the nearest competitor on U.S.-U.K routes, with nearly 81 percent of all U.S.-Heathrow travelers seeing competition reduced or eliminated. Proposed combinations among AA-BA and United-bmi (British Midland) would create a level of U.S.-London Heathrow seat concentration greater than a merger between the six largest domestic U.S. carriers or combining the top 21 European airlines.

Friday, January 25, 2002
Department of Transportation Tentatively Approves Antitrust Immunity Covering the Alliances of American Airlines and British Airways, and United Airlines and BMI
http://www.dot.gov/affairs/dot01002.htm
http://www.flybmi.com/bmi/en-gb/aboutbmi/presscentre/pressreleases.asp...

FOR RELEASE: Friday, May 30, 2003
AMERICAN AIRLINES-BRITISH AIRWAYS CODESHARE GETS FINAL APPROVAL
Airlines to Begin Planning Immediately
WASHINGTON – British Airways and American Airlines say they are eager to get to work on a codeshare arrangement, formally approved by the U.S. Department of Transportation today, which allows the airlines to codeshare on a large number of flights beyond the carriers’ gateways in the United Kingdom and the United States.
http://www.amrcorp.com/news/may03/30_aaba.htm

November 25, 2003
MASSIVE NARCOTICS IMPORTATION CONSPIRACY AT JFK AIRPORT EXPOSED -- 25 DEFENDANTS CHARGED, INCLUDING 21 AIRPORT EMPLOYEES
These recorded conversations led to the ensuing investigation, which included court-authorized interception of wire communications over numerous telephones used by WEATHERLY, MICHAEL ADAMS, a baggage handler employed by Globe Ground North American, assigned to BRITISH AIRWAYS at JFK, TYRONE BROWNE, a former JFK employee, and GARY LALL, a baggage handler employed by AMERICAN AIRLINES at JFK.
http://www.ice.gov/graphics/news/newsrel/articles/snowstorm_narcotics1...
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0311/25/lol.06.html

But the US Treasury Secretary, Paul O'Neill, told Congress that the US government would move swiftly to give aid to the industry, to ensure that the costs of extra safety measures and the increased costs of insurance did not fall on the industry.
The US government has proposed a $5bn handout to help US airlines and assist with insurance liabilities, but has stopped short of the $12.5bn the industry says it needs to stave off bankruptcies.
Pain spreads to Europe
Hours after the US announcements, UK carrier British Airways said it would sack 7,000 people - about 12.5% of its workforce - mothball planes and cut routes because of plunging demand.
United - America's number two airline which is also shedding 20,000 jobs - has been harder hit by the disaster than any of the other carriers.
In addition to losing two of its planes in the suicide bombings, it is more heavily reliant on business travel, expected to be adversely affected by the attacks.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1553416.stm

These two airlines’ bankruptcies and American’s financial plight, have been brought about, not by any September 11 victim’s lawsuit, but by the arguably excessive salaries and "bonuses" paid to its management for poorly managing the airlines and for helping to bring about the large downturn in air travel by having failed to protect their passengers from hijacking and sabotage as the law required. And this in spite of both United and American having received their share of the 10 billion dollars of taxpayer money paid to airlines in the above "bailout bill." The U.S. Congress is currently considering additional bailout bills.
http://www.planesafe.org/latest.htm

Mar 7, 2002
The two largest US airlines, United and American, are to integrate their electronic ticketing systems, making life easier for thousands of passengers transferring flights.
<snip>
Now passengers will be able to make the transfer simply by presenting a photo ID and their e-ticket receipt at both United and American ticket counters.
http://news.airwise.com/stories/2002/03/1015525770.html

Continental Alleges United/American Conspiracy
Feb 8, 2001
Gordon Bethune, chairman of Continental Airlines, yesterday accused United and American of a conspiracy to create a cartel that would split the US market between them.
At a hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Bethune also called for the Transportation Department (DOT) to take away routes from his rivals if the deal is approved.
Bethune's strong opposition was unexpected since Continental is in exploratory talks with Delta Air Lines over a potential merger of its own.
But Bethune said he would rather maintain the status quo than be forced into a deal with Delta.
His comments were the latest in an increasing groundswell in the industry and on Capitol Hill against the mergers, whereby United would buy all of US Airways for USD$4.3bn and then sell 20 per cent of the acquired assets to American for USD$1.2bn.
Bethune said that the deal would allow the two largest airlines to eliminate competition illegally in the US and could lead to global dominance.
"Clearly, United and American's plan is to reach detente, build a cartel, and carve up and dominate the US air travel market," he said.
"Ultimately, the same way United and American have split Chicago O'Hare and London Heathrow, they will split the rest of the US and maybe even split global aviation."
http://news.airwise.com/airlines/archive/2001/american2001.html

Let us see how many airlines,
besides Ansett and Midway,
collapsed after the 9:11 high jinks.

ZURICH, Switzerland -- Airlines across Europe are reporting drastic falls in passenger numbers and profits in the wake of the U.S. suicide bombings.
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/10/03/swissair /

Swissair and Sabena will not be the last airlines to seek protection from their creditors. Several of America's ten largest carriers are in danger of collapse, despite last week's government bail-out. Among the weakest financially are America West, Northwest, Continental and US Airways. In Europe other once-proud flag-carriers, such as KLM of the Netherlands, may be weeks away from oblivion.
http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?story_id=808370

So, to recap.
American Airlines and United Airlines each "lost" two international Warsaw Convention codeshare planes, - which were flying on US domestic routes - on September 11, 2001.
(We will ignore, for the moment, the fact that some of those flights were chartered by parties who shall remain nameless for the time being.)
Somehow or other, BOTH airlines "forgot" to complete FAA paperwork that was "necessary" for the US Government payoff.
Both airlines laid off HUNDREDS of workers - without penalty - in the face of an oncoming merger.
Somehow or other, BOTH airlines managed to "persuade" the US government to grant them anti-trust immunity in two separate deals that would have destroyed international aviation as we knew it.
Both airlines received HUGE amounts of money IMMEDIATELY after September 11,2001.

MercutioATC says:
...I'm sure the aviation industry (specifically American Airlines and United Airlines who must have been complicit) willingly helped perpetuate the lie and lost hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue because the public was afraid to fly...

As for the airlines
http://www.stormingmedia.us/04/0494/A049423.html

As for the passengers
http://www.indymedia.be/news/2004/05/84711.php

As for the planes
http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/defimg.asp

As for the FAA
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/craf.htm
http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=173

As for the ATC
http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/MIL/Ch4/mil0405.html
http://www.titan.com/products-services/abstract.html?docID=84
http://www.titan.com/products-services/abstract.html?docID=135
http://www.titan.com/products-services/abstract.html?docID=165
http://www.titan.com/products-services/abstract.html?docID=362
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