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Shaktimaan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-03-08 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #70
75. I tend to agree.
It is not as if Israel would believe a Hamas statement testifying to their right to exist anyway. Israel has plenty of reasons to not trust Hamas' intentions, any single declaration on its own really wouldn't matter.

I have mixed feelings about the right of return for Palestinian refugees. On the one hand I honestly have trouble with the idea of denying people who are, for the most part, just civilians who were caught at the wrong place at the wrong time and have since been used as political pawns by everyone, (and are all basically elderly now anyway). They really should be able to finally go back home if they still want to, especially if they're willing to become Israeli to get to do it.

But the reality of the situation is that when Hamas and Arafat say Right of Return they mean for the whole 4 million refugees, descendants included, so on simply a practical level it isn't feasible. No nation could be expected to willingly abandon control over immigration on such a scale. On an ethical level I also don't really agree that the risks it poses to Israeli society are more insignificant than ensuring that the refugees get to return to the exact patch of land they, or their grandparents left 60 years ago. I agree that there should be a right of return and reparations. But I think they should return to a Palestinian state, not to Israel. As things stand now 40-45% of the Palestinian refugees are living in the OPT. (80% if we also include citizens of Jordan.) Can you really be considered a Palestinian refugee if you are living in Palestine? I understand that being internally displaced isn't the greatest thing ever, but it also isn't the same thing as being exiled from your homeland.

If there was no land for a future state of Palestine, or if there was more than just this single state for the Jewish people, if Israel had begun the war that displaced the refugees to begin with, or if there had not been a mass exile of Jews from Arab states who Israel already absorbed, etc., then I might feel differently. But as things stand now I think that the refugee issue could be addressed in better ways for all parties involved than by insisting on their right to become Israeli citizens.

Just kidding about the trap thing btw.

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