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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 03:33 PM
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40. Paladan please read
Oh heck, I'm just a noob on this board, everyone will probably ignore me, but I want to say my piece.

I understand your point about "vote whoring". Nobody wants to see the Democrats become "Republicans Light" in order to win elections. But what I perceive, and many other people here are saying, is that strong gun control just isn't consistent with the rest of the principles that we stand for.

Take abortion; we support it in part because it is a woman's private choice and none of the government's damn business.

Gay rights; again, a private matter and none of the government's business.

None of us want to see the government compiling lists of citizens based on what books they read, or what internet sites they visit.

From my point of view, I'm not asking the party to whore to gun owners, I'm not asking them to become "republicans light", I'm just asking them to be consistent. I, and many like me, think that owning guns is a private matter, and a public good. When you ban them, or restrict them, or register them, you are in effect coming into my home - intruding on my privacy - and making the government more intrusive into our private lives. When you register my guns, you are putting me on a "list" of citizens, and I don't know who is ever going to look at that list with suspicion.

There is simply no way that the party could become anti-abortion and still remain true to it's values. But the party could easily become more pro-gun and be true to itself.

We can be pro-gun and think the war is wrong.
We can be pro-gun and know we were lied to.
We can be pro-gun and support social security.
We can be pro-gun and care about the environment.
We can be pro-gun and support the rights of the downtrodden.
We can be pro-gun and want to provide health-care to all.

Respecting my rights (including my rights to arms) is a way of respecting me as an individual. And I think that, maybe more than anything else, our parties beliefs flow out of respecting individuals and wanting to do what is right for them.

I understand that you disagree. But please, try to at least understand where we are coming from. We see this issue as hurting the party, and it doesn't have to be this way. There is nothing about it that (to me) is at the heart of progressivism.
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