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Hrumph Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 02:57 PM
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79. Actually, I agree with a lot of that.
Edited on Tue Jun-15-04 03:05 PM by Hrumph
Well, that would be the opinion of some. Not of many in the Democratic Party, I gather, but there ya go.

And just what are you trying to imply? (he asked knowingly)

And that would be oh so relevant, if it weren't just your opinion, i.e. that the material in issue is "liberal bullshit".

It would seem that all anyone can offer on this subject is their own opinion. Any "fact" introduced by one side of the debate is instantly dismissed as propaganda. Surely you realize this. I believe you at least make an effort at serious debate, though it does get tiresome having to dig through all the condesention to find it.

I don't gather that sources like John Lott and newsmaxwhatsit are dismissed out of hand because they are "id<e>ologically bankrupt". I believe they are dismissed out of hand because they have repeatedly been demonstrated to lie. They have, more specifically, been repeatedly demonstrate to lie in the service of a particular agenda, one that is not shared by most people who call themselves Democrats, I gather.

And it has been repeatedly proved, also, that VPC has been proved to lie. Where Newsmax and John Lott claim to unbiased, VPC's agenda is right out there in the open. Forgive me if I look at their publications with a jaundiced eye.

But ... how many years ago might that have been when you "checked"? And did you actually "check"? Goodness; are you offering yourself as a credible source?

Actually, I checked just this morning as I wrote the message. Admittedly, it was a cursory check. I stand corrected. I said nothing about the quote you reference but somehowe I get the feeling you're trying to pin it on me.

Again, admittedly, I come and go from this forum. If Kleck has been "proven" to be a liar, then perhaps you can clear up just what it is he lied about.

But my whole point, which you either missed or ignored, was that this debate is wasted bandwidth if we can't even agree on what constitutes a "fact." And when someone (anyone) introduces something that seems incontrovertable the the other side just ignores it. It appears to me as though the anti crowd is more guilty of this than the other but I'll admit that my perspective may be a bit skewed - If it can be demonstrated when the pro side has simply ignored "facts" entered into evidence by the antis.
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