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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 07:57 AM
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69. I do not know this Kellerman
I know a Kellerman, but probably not that one. /

Somebody bitches about the VPC being the source. I demonstrate that
(a) the VPC is a very minor source;
(b) the material for which the VPC is the source is independently verifiable

... and somebody bitches about a Kellerman. Maybe we could start over, lay out all the objections, and deal with them in some sort of organized fashion?

Here's what the study by Kellerman and several others -- published in the Archives of Internal Medicine, which I assume to be a peer-reviewed professional/academic journal, and undoubtedly based on independently verifiable data -- was quoted as saying:

a gun in the home makes a woman is 5.4 to 7.2 times more likely to be the victim of an domestic violence homicide<.>
Are you suggesting that this is false? Has it been disproved? Can you offer access to the disproof? I don't know; help me out.

If you aren't, or it hasn't, or you can't, did you have a point? Has so much of what these authors have written been disproved or debunked that it is reasonable to approach anything else they write with grave suspicion, and even to disregard it unless is verified from an independent source? In that case, can this statement really not be verified from an independent source -- can the sources used by the authors in reaching the stated conclusion not be accessed by someone who wanted to? Is it proper to claim that something can be dismissed out of hand, or disregarded, even when its source is demonstrably suspect, when it appears that it can be readily verified by someone who actually wanted to? Does any problem there might be with the soundness/validity of that particular conclusion (I can just never remember which word describes which problem) make anything else stated in the article false, or unworthy of belief?

Or is this just an old ad personam argument?

you know.

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