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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:01 PM
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2. Actually the most serious waste problem is fossil fuel waste.
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 10:02 PM by NNadir
Nobody knows what to do with fossil fuel waste, so they dump it in the atmosphere. It amounts to billions of tons per year and kills millions of people around the world each year.

There is not one person on the face of the earth who has ever been killed by commercial spent nuclear fuel in Western Europe. Or in the United States. Or South America. Or Japan.

The idea that so called "nuclear waste" is "dangerous" is a completely dumb idea, totally dependent on selective attention and poor reasoning.

The Dutch are abandoning the nuclear phase out because they've read the report on External Energy. They can understand something called data. http://www.externe.info/expoltec.pdf

Now many people typically take this opportunity to pipe up with all sorts of distorted inflated ideas about what wind, solar and the blah, blah, blah (insert wishful thinking here) that so characterizes denial and personal confusion about what can and cannot diplace fossil fuels but I note where wind is concerned the dutch have "been there, done that."

They're going nuclear, spearheaded by their formerly anti-nuclear Minister for the Environment, Van Geel. Of course, Van Geel, is claiming that the reason for building nuclear power is to provide for a "transition to more sustainable forms of energy" but, living below sea level, he's not pretending that such "sustainable" forms of energy are available now.

In fact the renewable energy game is largely a huge scam of making vast promises and not delivering. Reading around here at DU, you'd almost think that the world is going solar in a vast way. But the rolling 12 month production figures for solar energy in the United States show that production in units of energy have actually fell from 2005 to 2006, from 545 thousand kilowatt-hours to 503 thousand megawatt-hours, not that it really matters, since solar energy is a trivial form of energy. In comparison a typical EPR of the type the Dutch are planning produces more than 11,000 thousand megawatt-hours in a year. Put another way a single nuclear power plant can produce twenty times as much energy as all of the solar power plants in the United States.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epm/epmxlfile1...

No one will be able to address global climate change without nuclear power. It's easy for fools like Amory Lovins to claim otherwise, but then again, Amory Lovins is living on an isolated mountain top in a vast mansion with other consumerist millionaires. The Dutch are living behind dikes in a nation mostly below sea level. The conversation is very different. Amory Lovins doesn't have to give a fuck since the onus for his weak thinking will not actually fall on him. (He's sort of like Donald Rumsfeld or Dick Cheney predicting a cakewalk in Iraq.)

Speaking of waste heaps, do you know what to do with fossil fuel waste, or is it merely a kind of waste that you pretend doesn't exist?
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