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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 05:48 AM
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24. Figures ... going backwards into the future ...

On a serious point ...
> Civilization with its consumption of resources is not going to
> go away because you don't like it.

It doesn't matter what I like or don't like. Civilisation with its
constantly increasing consumption of resources is going to
go away and, in the process, a lot of people, animals, plants, marine
life and minerals are going to go away too. It is the timescale and
thus the severity of the transition that concerns me.

> I see many people wanting to live in an "advanced civilization" and
> few who prefer to live in a mud hut and grow yams.

As above, it simply doesn't matter what "many people" want: they are not
in the position to get it.

Constantly increasing numbers of people consuming increasing quantities
of resources (for their "advanced civilisation" dreams) results in fewer
resources left and more pollution in the process. This, in turn, results
in fewer people (through conflict, resource shortage and environmental

> Better to make the best use of those resources than to sit around
> and bitch about the downsides.

I agree with this bit but strongly disagree that the proposals above
are in fact making "the best use of those resources". They are making
the quickest, shoot-from-the-hip, commercially-advantageous and short-term
politically-expedient use of those resources. This results in a one-off
consumption of said resources, a deterioration of the environmental
situation and an acceleration of the intensity of the problem (which will,
in turn, generate a whole new set of brain-dead "quick fix" schemes in the
hope of finding some touchstone to allow the stupid game to continue).

*THAT* is the base of my objection, not some desire to grow yams ...
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