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eyesroll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 02:39 PM
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46. All I'm saying is that this is, once again, a discussion that lacks data
We don't know where the signs came from.

It is not out of the realm of possibility that the holders of the signs printed them out. Why? Because they're misguided. Because they're dumb. Because they thought they were being cute. Because they wanted to cause a disruption. We don't know.

But I will assume these are official, union-printed, campaign funded signs. Which they probably were. It then becomes a question of, who handed out the signs, who took the signs, and why.

If Dean staffers were handing them out, on purpose, to white people, for the purpose of making it look like there was ample African American support, then yes, I agree, it was a boneheaded move and deserving of much criticism.

If Dean staffers were handing them out to anyone who wanted them, I would want to check their motives for doing so (see above), but then I'd also wonder what I'd do in that situation. Would I reserve those signs for people who looked "black" enough (and risk getting an earful about that)? Or would I just give them to whoever asked for one? (I probably would not have "African Americans for XXX" signs in the first place, but that's a whole other story.)

If these signs were left in a pile for people to pick up if they wanted, well, then, blame the people. (For the record, I've attended gatherings of all stripes where signs were left in piles. I've also attended gatherings where signs were handed out.)

I do stand by my assertion that if these were the only signs available, and they were expecting a big African American turnout, then they deserve criticism for being way off the mark.

Look, I agree with the fundamental criticism -- IF this was orchestrated by the Dean people, it was not a good thing to do. But I don't have the full story. I can't make a complete judgement on an incomplete story.
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