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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-14-05 03:28 PM
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36. Yes, this certainly is a very complex issue
Probably there are some Democrats that are complicit, though I certainly hope that the number is very small. And you are almost certainly right that Dems are somewhat reluctant to call into question the legitimacy of elections because that will at least to some degree call into question their own legitimacy.

I enthusiastically agree with you, though, that Democrats in general should be much more assertive about this issue and take it very seriously, not withstanding the comments I made about their fear for their political future. But only the most courageous will be able to do this I fear. I am so grateful to leaders like Conyers and Boxer, who put themselves out in front of this issue.

As far as Joe Blow citizen is concerned, I may see it a little differently than you. My hope is that if we and our Democratic leaders make enough noise, take this issue seriously enough, and work to document the failures of our electoral process, including how the 2004 election was stolen, that that might fire up citizens to be more enthusiastic about voting. In other words, I believe that dispersing information about how the 2004 election was stolen will help to improve especially Democratic turnout in the next election. (Which was a large part of my incentive for writing this post).

In fact, I believe that to a large extent, that is exactly what happened in 2004. I believe that the message that Gore was an illigitimate victor in 2000 helped fire up the electorate in 2004, and that's why we saw such a high turnout. Unfortunately, there was so much voter suppression, including illegal voter purges, that the relatively very high turnout in 2004 wasn't able to help Kerry as much as it should have.
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