Reply #5: Mel doesn't think it is a mass unless an priest ordained before

[Classical_Liberal]

Vatican II says it. Are you sure that isn't schismatic? I don't go along with antisemite stuff, but I don't think he is necessarily in good standing. There was anger and the excesses of some of the Vatican II remormers like closing schools and ill advised remodeling of old churches, but there isn't much enthusiasm for going back, and most Catholics would like more changes to the structure of the church, and would specifically like changes to the doctrines on birth control, and female priests. The Latin mass never stopped being celebrated in Rome. The majority of practicing Catholics may have some points of agreement with the traditionalist, but they more points of disagreement with the progressives. Very few would support all of it.