Reply #120: You really don't need to bring

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Iraq into this discussion, though. We all know that the invasion of Iraq was wrong. And we knew, for the most part, that that was the case before the Chimp even invaded Iraq.

You're right about not deliberately murdering civilians.

But, the thing is, you keep running into this, and you haven't answered it: All wars kill some civilians. Afghanistan probably had one of the smallest civilian casualty ratios of any war we've ever seen, because our targets were typically situated away from civilians (i.e. mountain caves). That's not to say that we didn't hit civilians. I know we did. I remember.

So, at what point is one ethically allowed to defend one's country when one is sure that civilians will be killed in the response?

It sounds as if what you're saying is that one is never allowed to defend one's country. I don't think that that can be right.

In any case, you keep saying "mass murder" as if we were committing genocide. That wasn't the case, either.