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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 11:47 AM
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49. You set up a strawman argument
You assume that all socialists naturally support state socialism, but that is far from the case. You neglect the school of thought under socialism that advocates a form of socialism outside the state or some highly centralized decision-making structure. With the socialism you speak of, all we would be doing is replacing private owners of the means of production with bureaucrats instead.

"Meet your new boss! Same as the old one!"

The argument that bureaucrats can be removed when they abuse power is irrelevant. There will be abuses not from capitalists instead but bureaucrats, and I have not seen one argument from state socialists that could adequately address such a threat aside from "electing new leaders," and I don't buy that one because we elect poor ones under the current economic order. Why would it be different under any other? Human greed will still exist in socialist societies; it's just that greed itself won't be encouraged as a means of getting ahead, building the better mousetrap, or finding the cure for cancer for the sake of patenting it and making a profit off it by charging all of humanity a fee for the privilege, not the right, to have access to what you own.

If you ask me, the economy rightly belongs to the US people, not to a select class of owners who determines what gets produced, how much is produced, how many workers get to produce it, and how much (or how little) to pay the workers. However, I'd qualify the statement by stating that socialism can only come about when the people choose socialism. It cannot come from the state. People must be active participants in the economic decisions that affect them, not passive participants under state socialism. They must use their own heads and their own hands collectively to liberate themselves from the "capitalist wilderness."

If there is one thing I disagree with other socialists on this board, it is over how to get there, not the destination itself. I'm a libertarian socialist, not a Marxist or a member of any other school of socialism that advocates change through highly centralized decision-making structures (the state) democratic or otherwise. You can also call me an anarcho-socialist or even a liberal socialist or a left libertarian.
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