Reply #215: the problem is that she was more likely in a blackout

[jdj]

or semi conscious.

I once fell into a creek out in the woods while drunk and lay there for god knows how long fuming that one of my roommates left the water in the bathroom running.

I couldn't see, couldn't feel the ice cold water(it was november in the appalachian mntns) on my body or in my hair at all, I had absolutely no body sensation whatsoever. When I fell my head had ended up on a rock which is why I didn't drown. I eventually came to and climbed back up the hill to the campsite, but I never felt any sensation or chill from being soaking wet.

The fact is they knew she was drunk, incapable of consent and took advantage of that. Why anyone would defend people who do something like this is beyond me, is it an assertion somehow that gang-rape and body graffiti on drunk teenage girls is every man's fantasy?