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bigmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 09:59 PM
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109. The vote-stealing situation on the ground should be in all our minds.
We can't have a clear idea of what to do unless we are clear-minded about the facts. The exit polls and the vote counts are out-of-synch. That means either the exit poll methodology has some problem, or the voting mechanism has some problem. When you look at the two systems, the e-voting mechanism with no paper trail (or "Black Box Voting: BBV) is obviously, thoroughgoingly unreliable and easily manipulated, especially by the purveyor of the system, e.g. Diebold. The connections between the management of these companies and Christian Dominionists who want to abolish democracy have been demonstrated. In a criminal murder case, you look for motive, opportunity, and the availability of a weapon. Here we have motive (Dominionism), opportunity (involvement in the election process as seller/maintainer of the systems), and the weapon (management's control of the mechanism with no oversight by the public).
Given this, when looking at whether it's the exit poll methods or the voting methods, there should be no doubt that the voting mechanism is the better place to look for leads.
I've had problems getting people to register this danger too. Now is the time to bring it up, because people are focused. Kerry should have left the vote question open to focus more energy on this. He may have a hard time believing it, but maybe this criminal case metaphor might help.
We also need to be clear that this should inform how we think of how to respond to this election. If we lost because our message didn't resonate, that's one thing. If we lost because the vote was literally stolen, that's entirely another. We have to be clear - it's very likely the presidency was stolen.
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