Reply #56: you keep going back to these "unintended consequences" and

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the "blessing of hindsight". I suppose that, in regards to both that and what Clinton's true goals were regarding welfare, my memory's too good to allow me to forget that there were a lot of people telling BC what the likely outcome of these program changes would be.

Do I *know* his true goals? No, and I don't recall having ever said that I did. That said, as intelligent a man as he is, I have a hard time with the idea that the unintended consequences of welfare reform and NAFTA just snuck up and smacked him one night while he was sleeping. I *very strongly suspect* that he downplayed them in pursuit of the short-term electoral goal, as seems to me to characterize much of the DLC strategy.

Wyld, it was your contention that the DLC is the heir of the FDR/HST/JFK/LBJ legacy, a legacy that I think they've been busy dismantling in the name of "modernizing" the party.