Reply #9: This is so twisted that it didn't occur to me until last couple of years sometime

[Jack Rabbit]

Even while I proclaimed with full confidence that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc., etc., et al., knew very well that Iraq presented no immediate threat and although everybody in the world knew that torture was being used, it did not occur to me that the purpose behind the torture was get detainees to do the one thing torture will get reliably: the victim will say whatever the torturers want him to say. We knew some time ago that al-Libbi had told them some nonsense about Saddam's WMDs that Cheney appeared to take on face value, but might that have been an isolated incident.

Then we started to get Cheney whining that the torture program worked and by these methods we got all of this valuable information from Zubaydeh and KSM, yet professionals more expert at interrogating prisoners than Cheney and in a position to know contradicted him, saying that there was "no actionable intelligence" gained from KSM and that Abu Zubaydeh started spewing nonsense after the waterboarding started.

So, it appears that the "good" intelligence gained from torture must be buried along side of Saddam's biochemical arsenal. That's probably also where we can find the memos that prove that Cheney is right.

By now, Fibber McGee has more credibility than Dick Cheney. He has a right to defend himself, so let him try. But it better be good, because we would be foolish to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Is Cheney the worst scumbag to hold the office of Vice President since the traitor, Aaron Burr? Any one who says that now owes Burr an apology.