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Waterboarding- The Richmond Times-Dispatch printed the DEFINITIVE article on it today
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If you aren't aware of it the T-D is to the right of the Wall Street Journal and Townhall. Hinkle usually follows in the vein of the outrageous H.Ross Mackenzie in his Op-Eds which is why this definitive piece on waterboarding is all the more extraordinary.

Defending Torture, Administration Stoops to the Orwellian

Earlier this week the White House called American veterans liars.

U.S. policy, then, seems to be that waterboarding of Americans is torture, and waterboarding by Americans before 9/11 was torture, but waterboarding by Americans after 9/11 is not. This is known as moral relativism, which conservatives used to abhor.

As David Gushee observed in "Five Reasons Torture Is Always Wrong," a 2006 essay in Christianity Today, people generally "do not want to call torture what it is." The Bush administration has been forced into Orwellian Doublespeak because it wants to pretend an activity that is clearly torturous is not torture. But saying so doesn't make it so. The administration might just as well try to defend the eating of cooked human flesh by saying, "We don't consider that to be cannibalism. It's only cannibalism if you eat it raw." Nope.

(1) Sometimes we get the wrong guy.
(2) Even when we get the right guy, torture isn't likely to produce useful intelligence
(3) Statements that can be gotten might be lies.
(4) This reduces torture to mere sadism.
(5) The only rationale for torture rests upon an extremely thin reed: the highly unlikely ticking-time-bomb scenario the White House trotted out the other day.

IT SEEMS worth asking, then, why nobody proposed torturing Timothy McVeigh to find out whether he knew of any other homegrown terrorist plots. Likewise, the argument for torturing terrorist suspects would apply equally to criminal suspects who might have knowledge of ongoing criminal enterprises. Imagine how much easier it would be -- according to the logic of the pro-torture contingent -- if law-enforcement agencies could subject mafia dons, drug kingpins, or even street-corner dealers to waterboarding, electric shocks, sleep deprivation, and similar torments

There are, of course, some individuals who think it is perfectly fitting to torture anybody, citizen or non-, enemy soldier or mere criminal suspect, if there is any chance whatsoever that torture will produce the desired results.

Many of them -- though not all -- have sworn allegiance to al-Qaida.

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