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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 11:47 AM
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16. Thank you, higher class and Ifairban!
Edited on Fri Jul-29-05 11:54 AM by Peace Patriot
I remembered reading SOMETHING long ago about covert US movement of cargo, suspected WMDs, but I couldn't remember details, and don't have the link. I thought it was something connected to other foreign troops in Iraq (Polish troops?, maybe), and thought I might have read it on Al Jazeera, but a search there produced nothing.

I think this must be it (below). This is the most credible of the linked reports. The original web site is that of the Communist Party of Australia. I'm posting it here in whole, for possible clues to the Bushite WMD plot.

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http://www.agitprop.org.au/nowar/20040324_guard_shippin...

"Author: The Guardian

"Publisher/Date: No. 1176, March 24, 2004

"Title: Iraqi weapons of mass destruction: is the US now shipping them in?

"Original location: http://www.cpa.org.au/garchve04/g1176.html

"A year ago the US, Britain and Australia invaded Iraq. The pretext for the illegal invasion was their insistence that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and was ready to use them against the West.

"Despite numerous and thorough weapons inspections both before and after the war, nothing has been found.

"Hans Blix, former chief UN weapons inspector has emphasised that the US and British intelligence agencies issued false reports on Iraq leading to the attack.

"The Bush administration continues to defend its decision to go to war against Iraq despite the demand from David Kay, the man who led the CIAs effort to find WMD, that the Bush administration should 'come clean with the American people' and admit that it was wrong about the existence of the WMD in Iraq

"Now come reports that the US has shipped in weapons of mass destruction, no doubt ready to be 'found' by 'inspectors'.

"The Tehran Times reported on March 13 that US forces had unloaded a large cargo of parts for construction of long-range missiles and weapons of mass destruction in the southern ports of Iraq.

"The information is said to come from a reliable source in the Iraqi Governing Council who was speaking on condition of anonymity. He said that US forces, with the help of British forces stationed in southern Iraq, had made extensive efforts to conceal their actions.

"Unloaded at night

"Cargo was unloaded during the night while the attention of the media was concentrated on the signing of the Iraqi Provisional Constitution.

"The source said that in order to avoid suspicion, ordinary cargo ships were used to transport the cargo which consisted of weapons produced in the 1980s and 1990s.

"He pointed out that the US facilitated Iraqs WMD program during the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq conflict.

"The source claimed that the weapons were probably transferred to locations somewhere in the vicinity of Basra.

"The Tehran Times reports the source as saying: 'Most of these weapons are reportedly of Eastern European origin and some parts are from the former Soviet Union and the Eastern bloc. The US obtained them through confiscations during sales of banned arms over the past two decades'.

"An official of the US forces in Iraq said he had not received any information about the unloading of weapons of mass destruction in southern Iraqi ports.

"Another article in the Daily Times Monitor published in Pakistan reports retired US Navy Lt Commander Nelda Rogers, who is a veteran of the Defence Department, as saying that the CIA planned to 'plant' WMDs inside Iraq but that the plan was blown.

"CIA bungle

"Ms Rogers revealed that there was a covert military operation that took place both preceding and during hostilities in Iraq. She said that 'it was really the CIA that bungled it'.

"What are the chances of these weapons being found just before the US elections?

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Original location: http://www.cpa.org.au/garchve04/g1176.html
CPA = Communist Party of Australia
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This Tehran Times link is dead...

http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=3/13/2004...

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So, could it be that this CIA op to "plant" WMDs (revealed by Nelda Rogers) was deliberately "bungled" by elements in the CIA out of patriotic motives, and motives of truthfulness--to not allow Bush/Blair their triumphal speech on the WMD "find" in Iraq, based on deception? (Could this be why the Bushites hate the CIA so much?)

Or perhaps it was Cheney/Rumsfeld's "Office of Special Plans" who tried to "plant" the weapons evidence, and the CIA foiled it? Is this what David Kelly knew, why he was killed and why the Bushites did the SECOND Plame outing--that of the CIA's whole WMD network (the front company)?

The Nelda Rogers story comes from Al Martin--who is not a reliable source. And I don't know that the Tehran Times is either, but the TT story seems to have more credible details, specific to a possible "plant." The Nelda Rogers story (at the Portland Indymedia web site) is mostly about stealing cash and Saddam's assets. (--not to say that isn't true; I'm just a little more wary of the source; also, to just use a blanket phrase, "CIA," doesn't indicate much understanding of the subtleties of this situation, in which the White House is at war with the US intelligence community).

Note: Rogers says it was ex-military personnel paid through the US Dept. of Agriculture--but I hardly think that payment for such a sensitive mission ("planting" WMDs in Iraq) would be run thru any US agency or be traceable. (Who knows, though? We're talking about people--Cheney, Rumsfeld et al--whose chief characteristics are arrogance and hubris).
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