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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 10:46 PM
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66. Us vs EU
Well, I have to give you a yes and a no on that. In Florida, we have a good deal of European Immigrants, many of whom are Muslim, and while they were born in places like Pakistan or Kuwait, they act more "English" than many of the Brits do. Indeed, it is funny to be in some British owned "Irish pub", overlooking some Florida tourist attraction, and see some modern English "yob" say "fuck the fucking queen!" while Africans and Arabs eating their fish and chips look horrified at the thought. My point is that even in the EU, there is a melting pot, though it is not perhaps as aggressive or deliberate as the US model.

However, there is an ugly truth that is as true in the US as it is in the EU. For a variety of reasons, some real, some bullshit, the "White, Rural" types feel threatened. They feel that their politicians have lied them into a corner, which they indeed have. However, they overlook the fact that the Elite class has been using urban dwellers, especially nonwhite urban dwellers as a scapegoat for years. There is also a sad case where Unions, which can and should be the bleeding edge of the left, tend to demonize immigrants. I grew up Puerto Rican in New Jersey, and the same Italians and Irish that were not that much higher than us on the social ladder would beat us up, often with the nodding approval of union leaders and priests. I still remember the nasty sermon one priest gave about "those people."

In the end, the solution is to offer your culture to the immigrant, and actually be willing to let the immigrant affect the culture. For example, there is a famous Swedish chef named Marcus Samuelson. He was born in Ethiopia, but is Swedish, and on shows, acts as an ambassador of Scandinavian culture. America let's its culture be shaped by immigrants, and we shape them,. which is why we have Sushi bars and Middle eat style Kebab shops on the same block. Granted, there are many Americans, most of them GOP, who feel this is awful, they want some pure white city on a hill that never was, and a confederate states that thankfully never was. But humanity can be bigger, allowing for people whose culture is not some happenstance of birth, but a choice of one's mind.
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