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GinaMaria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 05:26 PM
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191. I think it is you who are confused
Please provide facts and data for the positions you have taken in this subthread. You have spewed a lot of nonsense based on feeling not fact.

Here's a gem We did evolve to reproduce. The more so the better. How can you dispute this?
Can you define better? Who's life is better with increasing number of children? Nothing disingenuous about asking you to clarify your statements. This is your statement. I didn't make it up and I'm not putting these words in your mouth.

Evolution is about adaptation. Let the HS drop out spawn. His offspring will not adapt as well as the few children of the well educated, who are more likely to see that their kids are educated too, well fed, emotionally developed, and able to contribute as a knowledge worker to our society. Those who make poor decisions, are emotionally damaged or immature, or risk their health are not the people that will do well in the future,no matter how many of them there are. How is it that winning is defined by you simply in terms of numbers? How does the world win, if you leave double digit (18 kids) morons running around the planet. Quality is far better than quantity. Quality of life,of health, of opportunity... take your pick.

Let's review:
You began this subthread with a claim that to some people here, Pro-choice means Pro-abortion, even though no one mentioned abortion. You then morphed this into an accusation that people here were making decisions for this woman. Which was never the case. No matter how many times it was explained to you that there is a difference between making a decision for someone else and having an opinion, you went on about hypocrisy. No one here is talking about going to the supreme court to make decisions for this woman. No one here is suggesting a ballot proposition in which we all get to vote on her reproductive rights or even vote to eliminate her rights. People are expressing an opinion about a family on reality TV. These aren't the people down the street. These are people who hold up their lifestyle as a good thing. It is not a good thing. It is not a healthy practice to repeatedly have children with very little recovery time after each birth. Does it happen? Of course, but not usually 17 times. There are long term consequences to her choices, both to her body and her children's development. You then moved on to expressing some of your own feelings about evolution.

Your feelings about evolution could use some fact checking.
And having children isn't exactly unhealthy. Women have evolved to do that after all. <\i>
Since the main topic is about a woman who just delivered her 18th child, please show something scientific and fact-based that explains how women's bodies have changed and adapted to have double digit off spring, or clarify your statement.

When we were nomadic our diets were based on what we could find or what we could hunt. Not a lot of carbs. As a result, human fertility was slower than it is now. Women reproduced every few years. This was a result of diet and of circumstances. As nomads, it didn't make sense to have another child before the first one could walk or run. Carrying two would have decreased survival of mother and children.

As the idea of farming caught on our diets changed to include carbs which did improve our fertility. In an agri society, it also meant that having more children would increase the number of people working on the land. We adapted to that. Our world has changed. We are in a different revolution right now. The name of the game has always been adaptation. It's how people have done more than survived. It's how we've thrived. (The same holds true for business.) Those who are not educated, not able to make fact-based decisions, and do not continually learn, grow, change and adapt, will be left behind. Again it's the Quality vs. Quantity issue. Just creating warm bodies and putting children to work for the family is a very old idea and one we have outgrown. It does not serve us as a species right now nor will it in the future.

If you can pick up a copy of the 7 Daughters of Eve, it is worth reading. Very eye opening about genetics and evolution.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
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