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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 03:59 AM
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201. Reasonable people think its a 'crock'.
Glad to hear you enjoyed your turkey.
Please make a note that 102 degrees is 35 degrees warmer than the
67 degrees this decision allows food to be consistently served.
Would you like that turkey at 67 degrees day after day?
Obviously not, you cooked it to a delicious 102 and consumed it promptly,
with cranberry no doubt.

Now I appreciate you aren't in the "feed them slop" group, and I trust you
recognize I am not in the "cold food is torture" group. But this appellate
decision is poorly reasoned and incorrect. It is itself unreasonable.

The rule (artculated by the panel) CLEARLY does not meet the plain language
of the regulation, that two meals be "served hot". That's what you look at
first,the plain language, right? Isn't that in the maxims somewhere?
No mention of plain language anywhere. Why was that?
They wanted a rule that wasn't itself enforceable. Duh. Bad panel!

So, "surprize", the regulation defined by the appellate panel does not create an
enforceable standard. There really isn't any way to violate it (without violating
the eighth amendment). Cook the food, then eventually deliver it.
No health or appetite concerns. You'd need to consistently not cook it or not deliver
it to violate the rule. They make it pretty clear, this panel, that in their view
any interpretation which does not violate the the eighth amendment would be deemed by
them 'reasonable'. Yet in that case, whats the point of regulations?

I put it this way. We (society) determine the standard for proper treatment
of prisoners, not the jailer. Unlike this panel I give the jailer little
to ZERO 'deference' in this circumstance (more given in others, such as security).
Regulations are promulgated specifically because we do not intend to treat our
prisoners at the limit of abomination and criminality, or at the naked margins
of 'cruel and unusual'. This panel doesn't seem to agree.

Instead here it is plain that, absent emergency, two meals each day are to be
served hot, where "hot" should meet some basic standard of health and
acceptability, such as the consumer test articulated by the trial court.
Obviously, that standard wasn't being met, according to the finder of fact.

But remember, this isn't about guards doing their best, its about the
system doing what its is supposed to do. So (management) you should feed them
hot food, dammit, or find alternative employment. Geez.
And my only remaining question is: are they daring to say it can't be done?

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