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wmbrew0206 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:28 PM
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43. Because to do realistic scenarios, you need a very large MOUT facility
Edited on Thu May-29-08 09:30 PM by wmbrew0206
that no base has.

MOUT operations are the most dangerous operations the military does because a small force can inflict a high number casualties on a much larger force. You need to practice doing these operations over and over and you can't do them in the same facility.

Training loses a lot if you run different scenarios over the same facility over and over. You get to know what is where and you can only change the facility so much. The realism that you need can only be provided by operating in a city where you can train over different areas in totally new areas. It allows you to train in a residential neighborhood to an inner city to a business district.

No bases can afford to build and maintain a MOUT facility that large. Plus when working in a city you have to deal with locals who have expert knowledge of the area while you don't. Everyone knows their base's MOUNT facility pretty well after the first month or two ofa work up. Before working in a city, the training cell goes out and meets with the locals and asks them to either be neutral, friendly, or bordering on hostile to the Marines that will be operating in their area. Sometimes they will be given a number to call to report on the Marines where abouts.

Also, obviously, NO LIVE ROUNDS are brought to this exercise.

A lot of work goes into working out the details of where and when the Marines can train. We know that if we screw anything up not only will the city not invite us back, but you are likely to be relieved.

Quick story: a MEU has practicing an air assault on a facility (in this case an abandoned school). The CH-53 pilots who flew them in thought they had the right school and landed their helo's and disembarked their Marines. When the Marine Officer in charge of the force saw kids at the windows, he realized they were at the wrong school and radio'd it in. Word had it the Marine Colonel in charge of the MEU, took off his rank insignia and said "Well, it was a hell of a career" and walked out of the COC thinking he'd be fired for allowing his force to land at the wrong school. It didn't happen but it shows how seriously we take training in the US outside of a base.
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