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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-02-07 08:28 PM
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62. Luckily, we don't have to count on your demonstrably bad predictions.
Papau said:

there is no doubt that the Senate Bill includes a fix to every problem raised with Holt.

Not sure which bill *your* reading, but many of the existing problems with Holt are still in Nelson's updated version. Example: Non-disclosure requirements are still built into Nelson's version so that only so-called "experts" may review the software used on voting systems.

You slowed the process down with Holt...

You're welcome.

...and now claim that because the bill says 11/08 start date, that is the date that it will be effective. I assume you have a plan to make it all happen in the shorten period that we now have.

I made no such "claim", nor do I have any such "plan to make it all happen" because as I see it, there are big problems with the Nelson bill as it's currently written. Starting (but not ending) with the fact that DREs will be allowed for '08. Coupled with audits, that could be the death knell for paper based voting systems, as you well know.

I hope your plan works and you prove me wrong about your killing any 11/08 reform.

Kathy, I have no idea what you're talking about. If you are imagining some "plan" I have for the Nelson bill, your imagination is failing you again. Even if it were passed as is tomorrow, and even if the Holt bill was changed in conference to match it, it would still be a) a dangerous bill and b) not funded unless it's included in the '08 appropriations which are ongoing write now. Otherwise, a supplemental would have to be passed in appropriations to pay for it.

That said, it still has most of the previous failings of the Holt bill which became much worse throughout the compromise/committee process.

"If Holt had passed we'd now be into conference and preparing for 08 audits - but Brad and others saw "fatal flaws" in Holt - so we will not have audits in 08, and God only knows where this bill is going now that there is no bill coming out of the House. I hope we do have this bill in place for 2012 -but we could have had as much much more easily, and in 08, if Brad and friends had not opposed Holt."

Once again, as seems now a regular occurrence with you, Kathy, your imagination is getting the better of you.

If you think my pointing out known fatal flaws in the bill has kept up from having "audits in 08", you must be in even more of a dreamland than I suspected.

Again, if you're looking for an "enemy" and someone to blame for the split in the EI movement, I'd suggest you take a look at PFAW her single-handedly hijacked the bill to ensure that DREs would be allowed for use. Forever.

Had they not done that, and had folks like you not believed and passed on their nonsense (I've got plenty of email from you to prove it) that "nobody in Congress supports a DRE ban" when we now know definitely that many do, we might have been able to march forward TOGETHER, in support of a bill that wouldn't make us worse off than we are now, as Holt's bill would.

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