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Jeffersons Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 06:09 AM Original message |
Why is it that the CIA and NSA get scorn; are they less human than our other troops? |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 06:21 AM Response to Original message |
1. Very few gov't employees get to pick their battles. |
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Jeffersons Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 06:25 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. yeah while we all got off bashing bush and cheney over "outing" Valarie Plume... |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
67. Who cares about her? It's pretty easy to hate both Bush *and* the CIA... |
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bananarepublican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 08:47 PM Response to Reply #67 |
85. CIA = Criminals In Action! n/t |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 09:25 AM Response to Reply #67 |
111. "It's a good thing she was outed?" n/t |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 10:58 AM Response to Reply #111 |
121. Yes, one fewer spy, and Republicans in court |
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otherlander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
130. Yeah, the bastards entirely ruined her career. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 07:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Everybody that "goes along" shares responsibility. |
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Jeffersons Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 11:45 AM Response to Reply #5 |
15. the truth about who "goes along"... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. So, George Tenet acted out of love when he colluded to lie us into this war? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
45. Are you serious? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
47. First off, I'm not anti-CIA nor anti-NSA. I'm anti war crimes |
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bananarepublican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 01:19 AM Response to Reply #47 |
136. mmonk, just remember once in the agency, always.... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #136 |
144. Yes it is. Glad you noticed. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 04:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
58. "every member of the NSA and CIA act out of love" - You got to be f'n kidding |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 06:51 AM Response to Original message |
3. One of the biggest reasons to view the CIA with disgust and scorn |
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Jeffersons Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 07:05 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. you better believe "the world would be a different place" but would you really like it? |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #4 |
29. Would you not like a world where the CIA would not prop up RW military dictators, |
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Jeffersons Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #29 |
49. they did fight and in a great sense, DEFEAT communism and all we did was bash them... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. If you honestly believe communism was such a threat to this country |
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Jeffersons Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 08:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
84. without people like my old friend, you'd truly know what threat it represented... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 10:19 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. A load of cr@p. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:18 AM Response to Reply #84 |
152. Indeed, we do need those who fight |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Fine, don't answer my question - |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. Are you kidding? Every time a nascent democracy in Latin America |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:15 PM Response to Reply #63 |
71. I suppose you take issue with my saying |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:16 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. No, you are right, rman. Completely right. n/t |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:12 PM Response to Reply #49 |
68. OK, name ONE place where they DEFEATED Communism... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Hollywood? |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:17 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. According to the CIA, |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Communism is what ever hinders Beltway cronies. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. that much has been confirmed, almost literally |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 10:01 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. I wanna see that! |
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bananarepublican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 01:22 AM Response to Reply #49 |
137. Are you saying JFK was a communist? n/t |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 02:10 AM Response to Reply #49 |
147. If you believe that, you really need to do a lot more reading |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 07:19 AM Response to Reply #49 |
153. The soviet union defeated themselves. nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
36. What evidence do you have that China or Russia have the slightest |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 04:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
56. The CIA is only under the oversight of the President, there is no check on their power... |
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bananarepublican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 01:17 AM Response to Reply #56 |
145. ".. oversight of the President..." 'Bush-oversight' comes down to W clearing scrub on his ranch! n/t |
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Jeffersons Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 07:16 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. actually if you missed the lead, my OP is primarily dedicated to the NSA |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 09:23 AM Response to Reply #7 |
110. Fellow Ghost, surely you agree that the NSA |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
25. and has been directly involved in the largest |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 09:09 AM Response to Reply #3 |
109. Congrats, you passed HS History class -- but yes, I disagree with fellow Ghost when it comes to |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
6. Since Plamegate broke, some CIA, FBI and military people have become heroes here. |
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Jeffersons Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #6 |
16. here's some even better news... |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 10:24 AM Response to Reply #16 |
115. Ghost, this sounds a little strange = you no longer embrace the people of Iraq? |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 07:21 AM Response to Original message |
8. The need for such agencies is sick and insane |
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Wiley50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
9. If They Just Weren't So Damn Sneaky |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. Yeah, like at that Chavez guy. I hear they're loving him up but good. |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 07:37 AM Response to Original message |
10. K&R Great stuff. Here's my favorite |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 01:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
41. Well, here, too, we disagree. This is the history of CIA. |
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KharmaTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
11. The CIA Has Been A Scapegoat All Along... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
40. Being scapegoated doesn't confer automatic innocence on CIA. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. In the new mindset it very well might n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Unfortunately, I think it's only new to US citizens. :-( n/t |
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C_U_L8R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
12. Because "i was just doing my job" |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
13. First: CIA and NSA agents are not "troops" |
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bananarepublican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 01:27 AM Response to Reply #13 |
138. 'US interests'...? The pupeteers manipulating Uncle Sam's foreign policy... |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 06:46 AM Response to Reply #138 |
141. Of course. But they could not get away with it |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
14. k and r |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
17. Because they're a bunch of murderous thugs. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Why do you have to be so negative? |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
59. - which isn't so much "scorn" as it is "truth" |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 09:27 AM Response to Reply #17 |
112. All of which was ordered and approved by our wonderful elected officials. |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 09:06 AM Response to Reply #17 |
143. I think you may be on to something n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
18. Because they are huge global violators of human and civil rights? |
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Jeffersons Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. it seems some people have gotten Patriots that can't defend themselves in a "free press"... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Sometimes the way we toss around the word "patriot" makes me |
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Jeffersons Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Do you mean jobs like the US Marines, Navy, Air Force or Army? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. That's a good question for anyone in today's armed forces. n/t |
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Jeffersons Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
62. which group being discussed isn't in "today's armed forces?" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Wrong question. Which group are you willing to glorify while |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. all too rare, although I do appreciate those who stand up to lies and power |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. I hope you realize not everyone in the CIA is like that analyst |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
22. Yes, we all are |
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TomInTib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
24. Here's #5 |
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IronLionZion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
28. Politicians put them in difficult situations and make them do terrible things |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. The bigger picture is that the CIA was formed to protect |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
32. CIA love in Guatemala: Death Squads trained by our patriots: |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. TWT page on the NSA: |
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donsu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
33. the CIA and NSA get my scorn - bunch of traitors |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
38. All it takes is a few bad apples to spoil the bunch |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
61. and 50 years does a lot of spoiling |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:22 PM Response to Reply #38 |
76. Backwards. The agency was set up to do illegal and immoral shit. |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 11:59 PM Response to Reply #76 |
91. Wrong, Truman set it up to only provide intelligence |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 12:39 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. And how is that a discontinuity? |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 02:16 PM Response to Reply #93 |
132. CIA was only for advise/intell not agents provacateurs etc. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
39. Because they are thugs, bullies, murderers and worse |
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NCarolinawoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
42. I know someone who works for the NSA. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 04:34 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. Maybe she should work for someone else. n/t |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 01:55 AM Response to Reply #50 |
146. I would second that motion |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
43. The CIA has two faces. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
57. A crucial point |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:24 PM Response to Reply #43 |
77. And the other face is a PR front. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Actually, I think the CIA took a beating for some of the things it did in |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 10:13 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. It was unfortunate for us all that Tenet was in a wrestling match |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
48. The intelligence community has been victimized by the bush junta. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. This sounds a lot like "It's not my job." |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #52 |
64. In my line of work, once I found out what I was going to do |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:13 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Well, good for you for saving your life. |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #69 |
90. We sign a contract. There's no good way to get out of it. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 12:47 AM Response to Reply #90 |
94. I translated for Kiki Camarena and when I found out how that went down, |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 12:54 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Hell of a story. He must have suffered greatly. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 01:18 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. They made him into hamburger. And this is the game as CIA, in part, |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 10:46 AM Response to Reply #97 |
119. I got recruited when I got out of the ASA. They were very |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
54. The NSA is a, by and large, passive intelligence gathering agency... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:02 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Dulles (cough!) Dulles. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
55. Overthrow: America's Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
65. Anyone who works for the NSA or the CIA is an enemy to freedom |
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AnnieBW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #65 |
89. Even if they're Dems? |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 07:48 AM Response to Reply #89 |
104. No Dem works for the NSA |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 10:14 AM Response to Reply #104 |
114. "No true Dem"... Canadian Flag... No User Profile... hmm |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 10:24 AM Response to Reply #114 |
116. I'm Canadian and I live in the US |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #116 |
124. That's cool, I'm just saying |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
74. delete |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
75. I just reread the OP. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
79. Nazi spies and the creation of the CIA |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
82. Torture |
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otherlander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 02:16 PM Response to Reply #82 |
131. Everything changed after 9/11... |
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The Flaming Red Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-02-07 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
83. Because some of them |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
92. One friend does not the CIA make. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
96. Living in the DC area, I've had friends with relatives/coworkers who were |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 01:32 AM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Yeah, it's a bureaucracy that gets people killed all over the world. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 01:42 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Many of the founders of the CIA were liberals and Trotskyites who participated in the war effort |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 01:51 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Trying to turn CIA from a neutral intelligcence serivice? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 02:12 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Do you know anyone who works in the gov't or has worked for the gov't? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 02:34 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Yeah, me. And no, I'm not unfamiliar with the purges. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 04:39 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. I'm simply trying to say that the CIA is not some monolithic evil entity |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 07:50 AM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Yes it is |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 08:41 AM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Look, I don't know where you are politically but you'd probably consider me well to the left of you |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #107 |
123. If by the left of me, you mean akin to Beria, maybe you have a point |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 11:31 AM Response to Reply #123 |
125. No, more of a populist. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 10:33 AM Response to Reply #103 |
117. The CIA has always been used in service of Empire and under cover |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #117 |
118. An acquaintance of mine was in El Salvador in the 1980s... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #118 |
122. Wasn't Porter Goss sent to CIA to dismantle what was left of its spine? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #122 |
128. You would know more than I do, I bet. The person I know was there as a Catholic Worker |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #128 |
133. What I know fits on the head of a pin. And you are right insofar |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #128 |
135. Read about the SMOM, Knights of Malta |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 06:40 AM Response to Reply #103 |
139. It's not so much the spying that's the problem |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 08:16 AM Response to Original message |
106. Steve Kangas was suicided in 1999 for his exposes of the CIA |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 08:51 AM Response to Reply #106 |
108. The CIA has done a lot of evil stuff, most of it authorized by Presidents. |
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conscious evolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
113. AllI know |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 10:53 AM Response to Reply #113 |
120. nice! |
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conscious evolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #120 |
127. Donna the Buffalo |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
126. How I long for the days of the dirty little wars..... |
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RegimeChange2008 (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
129. The CIA was founded by the Bush Crime Family and their associates. |
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Jeffersons Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-03-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #129 |
134. that's interesting RC, thanks... |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 06:43 AM Response to Reply #134 |
140. Isn't the NSA the agency that does the warrantless wiretapping |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:57 AM Response to Reply #129 |
150. The original CIA was not founded by the Bush clan. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
142. Maybe the image of the CIA would be better if they balked at the |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 02:18 AM Response to Original message |
148. Unlike the poor deluded youth who make up the military, the CIA types |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 03:48 AM Response to Reply #148 |
149. The NSA is OK because you used to do contract work there -- proves my point |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-06-07 06:34 AM Response to Original message |
151. Perhaps you should have this discussion with the Hmong tribesmen in Cambodia |
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