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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 05:38 PM Original message |
Why Did Long Voting Lines in Dem. Ohio Precincts Mean Low Voter Turnout? |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. we can’t allow this to continue to happen |
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MarsThe Cat (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 05:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. i don't think they let people provide their own voting machines... |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 07:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. I was being sarcastic |
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NicRic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 11:04 AM Response to Reply #5 |
59. pass law ,no police I.D. checks for warrants @polling lines ! |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 12:18 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. The tactics they used in 2004 in Ohio were every bit as bad or worse |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 07:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. I wish I knew how to stop it |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 07:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I recently suggested to an Ohio Election Reform list serv to send info to |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 07:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Wow. Well, if he placed sanctions on attorneys who contested the Ohio |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 07:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. reason was "frivoulous suit-can you believe it? I am not siding with the |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 08:48 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Well, why not? |
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Boredtodeath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 07:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Legal requirements. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 07:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. BTD, surely you are aware of the controversy surrounding the recent |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 09:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. That sounds good to me |
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warrens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. People get tired of the line and go home |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 06:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. In Franklin County people leaving the voting lines explain most |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 10:15 PM Response to Reply #6 |
31. In Cuyahoga there was lots of manipulation of vote counts in multiple |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 10:33 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Lots of touch screen switching in Mahoning, Franklin, etc. |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 10:54 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Lots of long lines and dirty tricks in the big S. Florida counties |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 04:00 PM Response to Reply #32 |
76. I know what you mean about the switching in Mahoning County |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 08:49 AM Response to Reply #31 |
44. I think that one of the biggest issues in Cuyahoga County was |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 09:33 AM Response to Reply #31 |
45. There is some very good information here - thank you |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 05:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
87. I voted first thing in the morning |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 05:50 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. You're exactly right |
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azmouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
3. The right to vote |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 07:47 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. It certainly does |
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Pachamama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
4. I was in the Akron/Canton precincts on Election Day - All the voters who |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 08:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. This is great information - thank you |
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flordehinojos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
7. bush's fuzzy math applied to the voting process! |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
8. We need to push elected officials to stand behind the GAO Report and |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 09:32 PM Response to Reply #8 |
27. Thank you mod mom - that's a very nice list |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 09:46 AM Response to Reply #27 |
47. My first encounter with Michael Vu was at an EAC Hearing on Provisional |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
10. Precinct Reduction was another way used to ensure low turnout: |
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yngliberal (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 07:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. One way of stopping this... |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 07:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Welcome to DU yngliberal, but the problem in Ohio is that Blackwell |
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yngliberal (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 07:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Thanks... |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 11:18 AM Response to Reply #17 |
61. Here's a summary that I put together of reasons to believe that |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 11:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
39. The new machines would NOT have been faster, not at all |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 12:54 PM Response to Reply #39 |
66. Maybe that's why we didn't have any problems like this in any of the |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
24. "I can't wait in line for four hours to vote, I've got to get to work." |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 10:14 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. I think that it is more complex than that |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
25. EIRS: long lines,etc. in Franklin County, Cuyahoga C, Mahoning Co.,etc. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 10:44 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. Yes, I certainly didn't mean to imply that this turnout issue was the only |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
26. Oh yeah baby K & R |
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understandinglife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
28. Well done, Tfc. Thank you. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 10:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Thank you ul |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
29. This is where I believe there is the best evidence that the election... |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 11:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
40. That's all very true, but |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
34. where's the special prosecutor? |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 01:40 AM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Unfortunately, I think that most of them are afraid to touch this subject |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 09:56 AM Response to Reply #34 |
48. without subpoena power, or the ability to hold a formal hearing, the Dems |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
36. This is why it's important to vote absentee ballot. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 03:25 AM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Well, Blackwell had an answer for that one too |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 10:03 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. This is true. I have a story regarding this point. A friend (affavidit |
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DeepModem Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
38. Remember the students at Kenyon College in Gambier? |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 07:56 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Yes indeed - very important points |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
46. Whenever I vote, I have to sign a book first |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 10:16 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Yes, it should be simple |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 03:06 PM Response to Reply #50 |
71. I understand what he is saying |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 10:23 AM Response to Reply #46 |
51. In Central Ohio, this level of coordination was not done by the Ohio Dem |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 10:28 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. "The next day all information was destroyed, clean out-gone." |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 10:40 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. No, I believe it has something to do with a legal aspect, (may want to |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 10:56 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Well, I for one certainly appreciate all the work you've done on this |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 10:45 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. In Florida, any candidate can get voting history info from the SOE office |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 10:48 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I believe you mean party affiliation. Our votes are secret. My area |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 11:02 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. I don't mean HOW they voted. I mean WHETHER they voted. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
56. Kicked and nominated..... |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 11:44 AM Response to Reply #56 |
64. Thank you EOTE. Yes, I have to say that this is a President and a Party |
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jmrobins (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
60. kick |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 01:27 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Wellcome to the DU jmrobbins |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
62. Missouri Florida Ohio California all stolen elections!!! |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 11:38 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. New Mexico as well. You are correct, we must make sure history reports |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
68. Here's a response I received from Micahel Vu |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 02:41 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Have you speculated on why he avoided the question? #47 contains |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 03:25 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Yes, I see what you mean |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 03:27 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. self delete |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 03:02 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. could you write him back |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 03:06 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. maybe even do a request for public records to see if,when and by whom it |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 04:25 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. I wrote him again |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 04:28 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. I'll ask a friend who is on CASE with me. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 04:36 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. That would be great -- Thank you n/t |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 03:28 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. Yes, I did write him back |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 04:39 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. kinda like, "thanks for the non-answer, schmuck!" |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 04:52 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Here's what I wrote this morning: |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 05:24 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. that was very polite |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 05:42 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Well, here's a quote from some stuff that was discovered during the |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 10:43 PM Response to Reply #88 |
96. He wrote me another e-mail |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 04:58 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. Well, at least he's very punctual n/t |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
81. But voter turnout was up significantly in Ohio in numbers |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 04:50 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Low voter turnouts were recorded in dense urban precincts. Total |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 04:57 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. I don't have the chart, but I did an analysis of the voter registration |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 05:01 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. I do have a file |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 05:50 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. I have downloaded a chart entitled "Ohio Vote Purge: Analysis of Registere |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 07:10 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Can I see what you have? |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 07:53 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. of course. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
92. "Huge voting lines in combination with low voter turnout |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 06:10 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Sure it can. In Franklin County inner city neighborhoods saw huge |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-05 10:47 AM Response to Reply #93 |
101. I was taking the rise out of them, mod mod. |
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journalist3072 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-05 11:33 PM Response to Original message |
97. More ammunition to add to the fire... |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-05 10:03 AM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Thank you for the additional ammunition |
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journalist3072 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-05 10:58 AM Response to Reply #99 |
102. You're welcome and you are absolutely right!! |
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Zinfandel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-05 02:18 AM Response to Original message |
98. And they are working on 2008...for perfection. |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-05 10:15 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. Very little doubt about that n/t |
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