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Undecided 43%
Elizabeth Warren19%
Joe Biden14%
Bernie Sanders11%
Pete Buttigieg6%

Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #35)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 03:22 PM

41. No, we're talking about the QUARTER of Sanders voters

 

who refused to vote Democrat in the general election.

Before you get too indignant, it might help to know that on last week's Emerson polling a similar percentage said they would not only not vote Democrat in 2020 if Sanders was not the nominee, they would vote for Trump or third party. Specifically in one question, 26% said they would vote for Trump if Elizabeth Warren were the nominee. !!!

That last is extremely significant because Warren is every bit as strongly progressive as Sanders. Many of those who care about the issues they both espouse see her as the better choice, but for sure Sanders' supporters would have an excellent alternative in her -- IF it was really about the issues for this group. It's not. For them it's about him and his message that today's Democratic Party is intrinsically and irredeemably corrupt.

As for what populism is and isn't, DEMOCRACY is government of, by and for the people. Democracies with a sufficiently involved electorate do a pretty good job of serving their electorates and advancing social wellbeing in spite of problem eras. That's why enemies of democracies constantly seek to undermine the electorate's belief and participation. They lie about our power.

Populism, otoh, is a negative energy focused against, again, "elites," dominated by social conservative hostilities and general antagonism. Rising populism in this era is threatening to destroy democracies around the planet. Populists claim to be for "the people," but would steamroll the needs and wishes of all those people who don't join them, which is most.

Why are Sanders and Trump doing so well here in the U.S.? Lots of reasons, economic fears for the future are big. Disbelief in the power of the vote (many populists vote erratically at best). But the biggest is that the social conservatives who dominate populism have been losing the "cultures wars" so important to them in election after election to increasingly liberal majorities. How to win and restore white, male supremacy? Destroy democracy.

Maybe take a good look at that 25% or so of Sanders hostiles. Think about how similar their behaviors are to those of the trumpsters on the right. And think about what those polls reveal about their lack of fealty to issues instead of leader.

Now, here's a positive note to end on: 80% of Sanders supporters now are registered Democrats. In 2016 the vast majority of those moved seamlessly to Hillary as their second choice. This year only 42% of those who voted for Sanders in 2016 list him as their favorite.

"Only 51% of current Bernie supporters actually voted in the 2016 General Election for the Democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton 7% voted for Trump, 23% voted for a third-party candidate, and 19% did not vote."

That's a drop from 2016's 12% for Trump, 2% nonvote, and the rest third-party. Current support is much less and far more strongly limited to Sanders zealots.

And here's another touch of reality: The quarter or so of current Sanders supporters who will again vote Trump or third party in the general are NOT the Democratic Party's to win or lose. They're his to keep, and then in the GE Trump's to keep or lose to some third-party throwaway vote.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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