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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!

Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #16)

Mon Mar 9, 2020, 01:31 AM

19. he lost me when he wilfully and incorrectly self-labelled as a democratic socialist when he is

 

nothing more than a bog standard social democrat. It is madness to try and re-define globally accepted definitions, some which are 200 years or more old. It also is so damaging, as in the reactionary American zeitgeist, it gives the goddamn Rethugs a self-made hand grenade to blow up our entire party with by smearing us ALL as socialists (which equates to communist in vast swathes low IQ 'Murica). They have tried this all the time in the past, but now they have Bernie, in 1000 speeches and videos, calling himself one.

Even worse (potentially), he does have actual REAL socialists (all over, like Jacobin, the DSA, etc etc) and more than few (again in the DSA) real Trotskyists and other types of actual communists backing him. They look at Bernie as simply a means to an end, with that end being actual expropriation of the means of production (a thing that Bernie has said for a couple decades now he does not believe in.) They LOVE Sanders using their label falsely, as they think it opens up the door to slide on in to tangible, real power over the coming several decades.

It is a giant clusterfuck of epic proportions.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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