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Celerity

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147. he just did it again last night, the crowd booed Biden, and also the 'establishment' Democrats
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 06:54 AM
Mar 2020

Super hostile.

I fully expect a 2008 Clinton primary voter level of defection (24-25% voted McCain, 5% did not vote) or higher from his 2020 supporters this go-round. Not saying 25% will vote for Trump, but they will go 3rd Party or stay home I fear, as they are FAR less actual Democrats in 2020 than they were in 2016.

https://isps.yale.edu/research/data/d130

https://sites.duke.edu/hillygus/files/2014/06/hendersonhillygustompsonPOQ.pdf



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/24/did-enough-bernie-sanders-supporters-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/

Another useful comparison is to 2008, when the question was whether Clinton supporters would vote for Barack Obama or John McCain (R-Ariz.) Based on data from the 2008 Cooperative Campaign Analysis Project, a YouGov survey that also interviewed respondents multiple times during the campaign, 24 percent of people who supported Clinton in the primary as of March 2008 then reported voting for McCain in the general election.

An analysis of a different 2008 survey by the political scientists Michael Henderson, Sunshine Hillygus and Trevor Thompson produced a similar estimate: 25 percent. (Unsurprisingly, Clinton voters who supported McCain were more likely to have negative views of African Americans, relative to those who supported Obama.)

Thus, the 6 percent or 12 percent of Sanders supporters who may have supported Trump does not look especially large in comparison with these other examples.

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If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
this needed to be done, they are out of control Celerity Mar 2020 #1
✔️ blm Mar 2020 #17
High time. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #23
THIS !!!! uponit7771 Mar 2020 #54
About time. we can do it Mar 2020 #74
Grand, but where? n/t DonaldsRump Mar 2020 #2
Rachel Celerity Mar 2020 #3
Maddow OKNancy Mar 2020 #5
Thank you both! Watching now. n/t DonaldsRump Mar 2020 #18
She sure is BeyondGeography Mar 2020 #4
On tv? Cha Mar 2020 #7
She's live with Rachel BeyondGeography Mar 2020 #8
Thank you.. I'm glad she calling that out. Cha Mar 2020 #32
yes live right now, she said his supporters try to draw strength by dividing and attacking people Celerity Mar 2020 #11
Wow! TY Celerity.. Cha Mar 2020 #35
Very popular TV show. True Blue American Mar 2020 #176
Great! TY TBA! Cha Mar 2020 #186
That's ok .. I just read it was on Rachel's Cha Mar 2020 #9
Good. His campaign team is filled with cruel, loathsome beings. blm Mar 2020 #13
We agree BeyondGeography Mar 2020 #15
Absolutely NYMinute Mar 2020 #22
It is a deplorable situation dalton99a Mar 2020 #34
If You Keep Bashing, Do You think Sanders Voters Will Vote for Biden? McKim Mar 2020 #70
😂😂bashing??!😂😂 we can do it Mar 2020 #75
+1 nt Kahuna7 Mar 2020 #168
If Sanders team keeps urging his supporters to attack others the way blm Mar 2020 #79
Sanders needs to tell his supporters to vote for the dem nominee Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #95
Agreed wiley Mar 2020 #153
Why worry? They're not voting for Sanders either Generic Brad Mar 2020 #99
😂😂😂 we can do it Mar 2020 #170
They don't have to there are enough votes without the Bernie people katmondoo Mar 2020 #101
Stating facts isn't bashing uponit7771 Mar 2020 #102
+10000 EXACTLY!! Vivienne235729 Mar 2020 #119
They need to clean up their behavior. And focus on why their candidate is the best. LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #107
Republicans tactics True Blue American Mar 2020 #177
She's not "bashing" sanders. Cha Mar 2020 #136
but, but llashram Mar 2020 #163
The "conspiratorial" side of me says that... Eyeball_Kid Mar 2020 #179
Ya think. sheshe2 Mar 2020 #16
Good for Rachel texasfiddler Mar 2020 #6
So grateful! Cha Mar 2020 #38
Hard to stop it. LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #10
Bernie's distancing attempts and attempts to get them to stop are weak sauce Celerity Mar 2020 #14
uhh huh... that's why they had to discuss unprecedented solutions. LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #20
I am saying he did not spank them down hard enough, not saying that they would stop at all Celerity Mar 2020 #29
Exactly Just_Vote_Dem Mar 2020 #60
What authority does he have? druidity33 Mar 2020 #142
It would have an impact, absolutely. would it stop all of it? No, of course not, but it would Celerity Mar 2020 #143
I don't think his attempts are weak. Ace Rothstein Mar 2020 #26
No, they aren't "weak". LisaM Mar 2020 #37
Exactly. we can do it Mar 2020 #80
They were feeble at best. He could have started by challenging his rally crowds Blue_true Mar 2020 #65
He should've cleaned house Todd79 Mar 2020 #84
Yes. nt Blue_true Mar 2020 #90
Yes... Dorian Gray Mar 2020 #145
Shaun King needs his twitter privileges taken away PupCamo Mar 2020 #165
Sirota True Blue American Mar 2020 #181
Ugh. Remember his surprised delighted laughter when the crowd at his rally last December betsuni Mar 2020 #93
he just did it again last night, the crowd booed Biden, and also the 'establishment' Democrats Celerity Mar 2020 #147
It's not 2008. betsuni Mar 2020 #148
yes, it might be an even higher defection rate, but the overall numbers of voters he will Celerity Mar 2020 #149
exactly, BS distances himself from his supporters like the Idiot distances himself from fascists onetexan Mar 2020 #144
It's not hard to stop it. W_HAMILTON Mar 2020 #19
There is a saying NYMinute Mar 2020 #25
+ 1000 MFGsunny Mar 2020 #52
Why didn't the supporters of other candidates act so badly? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2020 #36
Ding ding ding! DrToast Mar 2020 #41
They attack every other candidate and his or her supporters. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2020 #43
Are you writing really fast? Your last two posts seem to be missing words. nt Blue_true Mar 2020 #66
ADD DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2020 #71
Ok, I get it. Multitasking is what I call it. nt Blue_true Mar 2020 #73
Wow you're good Just_Vote_Dem Mar 2020 #82
More mature OKNancy Mar 2020 #59
They are true democrats that understand what our core values are. nt Blue_true Mar 2020 #67
I'm almost afraid to say this on here. Dem2theMax Mar 2020 #68
That's a darn good question!!! Vivienne235729 Mar 2020 #122
He could stop Nina Turner and David Sirota.... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #40
Bingo! We have another winner. n/t MFGsunny Mar 2020 #55
He could have repeated forceful statements, AND called out his Blue_true Mar 2020 #62
As well she should. W_HAMILTON Mar 2020 #12
Hard to see her endorsing Bernie for a few reasons HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #21
She just endorsed without endorsing Moderateguy Mar 2020 #28
Yes, good point. HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #33
I Think She Will Endorse Biden After Bernie Flops on March 10 and 17th Indykatie Mar 2020 #83
Is validating to hear from her Mersky Mar 2020 #24
Good she needs to vercetti2021 Mar 2020 #27
Nina Turner (52), David Sirota (44), Susan Sarandon (73), Michael Moore (soon 66) are hardly brats Celerity Mar 2020 #39
Yet they act like brats vercetti2021 Mar 2020 #42
this is a valid point nt Celerity Mar 2020 #47
Yep vercetti2021 Mar 2020 #48
too 'true believer' for my taste, I don't do cults Celerity Mar 2020 #51
Me neither vercetti2021 Mar 2020 #53
She's awful MustLoveBeagles Mar 2020 #114
Symone is a legit badass vercetti2021 Mar 2020 #115
True dat MustLoveBeagles Mar 2020 #117
Be careful, I got dinged for calling the brats brats. we can do it Mar 2020 #77
I don't care vercetti2021 Mar 2020 #97
And this is not a new phenomenon with his movement. dalton99a Mar 2020 #30
correct, it is not new at all Celerity Mar 2020 #45
We have seen the threats and physical bullying before. Blue_true Mar 2020 #72
But They Continue to Deny It... TomCADem Mar 2020 #108
Great imagination. She is as good as Kellyanne dalton99a Mar 2020 #110
Its been an excellent interview so far, should be a full hour I would guess. The problem with over yaesu Mar 2020 #31
zero chance most are Rethugs or Russians, they are OTT Americans who want to burn it all down Celerity Mar 2020 #49
hmmm, Bannon and Miller want to burn it all down. not_the_one Mar 2020 #96
so you actually think that most Bros are Russians? Celerity Mar 2020 #103
"not_the_one" didn't say that. You interpreted it that way. nt fleabiscuit Mar 2020 #121
from the thread flow it looks to me like what I said nt Celerity Mar 2020 #123
Um, no one said "most", but our intelligence agencies have whathehell Mar 2020 #134
I am not talking about random bots, I am talking about real, live, actual core supporters and social Celerity Mar 2020 #135
I'm sorry, but AlterNet, Common Dreams, and Truthout whathehell Mar 2020 #137
A combination of things, a tonne of Little Englanders, some contrarian Left, lying Leave leadership, Celerity Mar 2020 #138
Yes, it's complicated whathehell Mar 2020 #139
I think the term is "Useful Idiots" eilen Mar 2020 #150
good term, seems to fit nt Celerity Mar 2020 #151
They confirmed Russia is helping Bernie. MrsCoffee Mar 2020 #173
I know that whathehell Mar 2020 #175
Whatever excuses one can dream up I guess. MrsCoffee Mar 2020 #182
Whatever narrative one needs to.maintain, I guess. whathehell Mar 2020 #183
I'm not the one gaslighting here. MrsCoffee Mar 2020 #184
So now I'm being accused of "gaslighting"? whathehell Mar 2020 #185
"republican or russian plants." William769 Mar 2020 #50
we will have to agree to disagree on that one. nt yaesu Mar 2020 #58
Then you are also disagreeing with our intelligence agencies. MrsCoffee Mar 2020 #174
+100000000 Celerity Mar 2020 #104
Kick & recommended. William769 Mar 2020 #44
I hear that Nina Turner is on CNN right, full of passion! Firebrand Gary Mar 2020 #46
Did you mean passion or poison? nt SunSeeker Mar 2020 #57
he will not do it, he thinks it will ruin his brand Celerity Mar 2020 #132
I just finished Hillary on HULU Firebrand Gary Mar 2020 #141
Poison. Venom. Mean spirit. we can do it Mar 2020 #171
"There needs to be accountability." Yes there does. Thank you Elizabeth! SunSeeker Mar 2020 #56
and it should be noted that MSM, including MSNBC, had more to do with Warren dropping out than yaesu Mar 2020 #61
Yes, it's ironic to see all this Liz love tonight BeyondGeography Mar 2020 #64
Warren got savaged by reporters over how she would pay for M4A, unlike Bernie. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #76
They both deserved scrutiny dansolo Mar 2020 #152
I agree. Her expertise is in consumer financial issues, not healthcare. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #154
I am glad that Warren is calling out this conduct Gothmog Mar 2020 #63
Thank you! betsuni Mar 2020 #81
Elizabeth said she talked to Bernie about the online bullying. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #85
Says it all right there. showblue22 Mar 2020 #88
We can easily guess how that conversation went. betsuni Mar 2020 #89
+1 dalton99a Mar 2020 #98
Very good. RIght on. Conversation short. Starts with Sanders. He speaks angry, point fingers at LizBeth Mar 2020 #106
Good for her. Mrs. Overall Mar 2020 #69
GOOD. Now if only he would do the same. Convincingly. Maru Kitteh Mar 2020 #78
She said she talked to Bernie about it and the conversation was SHORT. showblue22 Mar 2020 #86
Transcript: dalton99a Mar 2020 #100
Hopefully Biden will finish Sanders shortly so that we can focus on Trump. IluvPitties Mar 2020 #87
Honestly, I pray for that. No time for divisive drama. emmaverybo Mar 2020 #92
So so happy to hear that! I mean really coffins at a Biden fund raiser Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #91
Pretty disgusting behavior all around MustLoveBeagles Mar 2020 #111
Glad this was addressed. TDale313 Mar 2020 #94
Thank you Senator Warren cheezmaka Mar 2020 #105
She did it very very well, too. And (of course) she has a plan to stop this in the future... Hekate Mar 2020 #109
Here's the thing.., MontanaMama Mar 2020 #112
"Warren is calling out Sanders' supporters." LenaBaby61 Mar 2020 #113
That's sad MustLoveBeagles Mar 2020 #116
That's sad - and so much like the many stories we've heard and situations we've experienced The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #126
1st choice Warren now biden Longford1847 Mar 2020 #118
Welcome to DU! geardaddy Mar 2020 #161
Good, we all should, wherever that nonsense appears, by whomever. nt ramen Mar 2020 #120
All I hear about on DU are those "awful Berni Bros." Paka Mar 2020 #124
I know the vast majority of his supporters don't do this. I hate generalizations. writes3000 Mar 2020 #127
Thank you for that understanding. Paka Mar 2020 #131
I'm sorry that's happening to you FreeState Mar 2020 #128
Thank you for your understanding. Paka Mar 2020 #133
Sorry to hear that geardaddy Mar 2020 #162
The twitter comments re: the Nina-Hillary Rosen tishaLA Mar 2020 #125
Twitter is a cesspool FreeState Mar 2020 #129
This is a big deal! Firebrand Gary Mar 2020 #130
Warren should not endorse nastiness Laserio Mar 2020 #140
Am betting she isn't endorsing Sanders any time soon now obamanut2012 Mar 2020 #146
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #155
I know I am going to get shit for this but--- Richard58 Mar 2020 #156
Where I work, there are Bernie bumper stickers... reACTIONary Mar 2020 #172
This message was self-deleted by its author bluedye33139 Mar 2020 #180
Maybe the phrase sould be BillyBobBrilliant Mar 2020 #157
Most Bernue supporters are decent folks DIVINEprividence Mar 2020 #158
Does this mean it's a "No" on Liz being Bernie's VP? n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #159
Good! geardaddy Mar 2020 #160
about time someone did PupCamo Mar 2020 #164
Evidence? Or this just another of colored smear against Bernie?? jimlup Mar 2020 #166
After the 2016, it was shown that the Bernie Bros were paid Russian trolls, something something Bear Hestia Mar 2020 #167
I hope we can all come together. warmfeet Mar 2020 #169
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