Thats my problem with focusing on these moderate... (Reply #34)

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34. Thats my problem with focusing on these moderate...

...white working class male voters who people say Biden will be the one to win over.

Are those voters going to canvas? Are they going to get out the vote? Phone bank? Stuff envelopes? Donate?

Or are we going to yet again ask that to be done by young people, women, minorities, and gay people while at the same time asking them yet again to compromise and put their needs and demands behind others simply because "the repubicans will be worse for them"?

Anyone who thinks these former Trump voters are going to bring the energy we need and do the hard work to be done for a Democrat are going to be in for a rude awakening.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Biden continues to hold solid lead in every poll, everywhere: post accusations [View all]	louis c	Apr 2019	OP
Biden will be the nominee	BlueFlorida	Apr 2019	#1
Biden-Harris: Dream Ticket	louis c	Apr 2019	#2
I'd support that	DavidDvorkin	Apr 2019	#21
I'm on board with that!	Maru Kitteh	Apr 2019	#80
YES!!!!	Lisa0825	Apr 2019	#181
In your dreams all right!!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2019	#153
Washington Post-'Electability' and 'Bernie' don't belong in the same sentence	Gothmog	Apr 2019	#189
You're now taking political advice from Jennifer Rubin?! Oh okay!!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2019	#191
Read the polling cited in that article	Gothmog	Apr 2019	#205
A significant portion of sanders support were really non-democrats who will not be back	Gothmog	Apr 2019	#222
I really like that ticket also	Gothmog	Apr 2019	#187
Biden polls numbers historically go down once he announces and starts campaigning, while...	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2019	#33
I assume this is why Biden hasn't declared yet.	shanny	Apr 2019	#49
Exactly right! Biden has to know he can't win, but I would never say he shouldn't run for a 3rd time	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2019	#52
Not a good comparison.	John Fante	Apr 2019	#77
He is running as a VP really a Obama third term.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#108
He was VP for 8 years good luck with old shit. Not	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#83
lol	shanny	Apr 2019	#95
Haha, the old "old shit" defense...I'll remember that next time they bring up old shit about Bernie.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2019	#101
+1	shanny	Apr 2019	#103
What revolution? It doesn't exist.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#109
Do explain how what were "radical leftist" ideas a mere 2 years ago	shanny	Apr 2019	#139
That is a myth. Democrats have advocated those ideas for years.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#141
bwahahahahahahahahahaha	shanny	Apr 2019	#148
He who laughs last laughs best.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#154
Stone age ... and Biden's record on women is stellar ...Bye bye Bernie	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#107
I agree: Biden is Stone age	shanny	Apr 2019	#137
Bernie is older.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#142
WTF does Bernie have to do with this?	shanny	Apr 2019	#147
Just saying...	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#156
just saying nothing	shanny	Apr 2019	#161
I have seen posts supporting Sanders	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#165
so what?	shanny	Apr 2019	#175
I was curious how since Sanders is older than Biden and Bidens age was the issue how	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#179
Show me where I ever said Biden's AGE was the issue.	shanny	Apr 2019	#185
... and wiser!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2019	#162
No I don't tho think so.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#164
I agree. He always was.	shanny	Apr 2019	#177
How some peeps don't see this is beyond me!!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2019	#178
Bernie running behind Biden in New Hampshire...	louis c	Apr 2019	#220
Wise but still older than Biden?	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#180
Whatabout Bernie? Really?	shanny	Apr 2019	#199
After Trump	True Blue American	Apr 2019	#128
Obama's third term ...finally.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#143
aaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha	BlueFlorida	Apr 2019	#59
In your dreams. He is great on the campaign trail and he will be campaigning	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#82
Read up on your campaign history... not that it matters. Voters will decide...	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2019	#86
Running for the third Obama term as a FORMER VP.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#110
There are no bad feelings. Bernie brought in TONS of new, energized voters to the Democratic Party.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2019	#113
Are you kidding? We lost and many including me don't think he helped enough	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#117
Bernie didn't help enough? Yeah riiiiigght... he campaigned for Hillary night and day...	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2019	#118
Do you really believe there are no hard feelings? We lost and he now has people who	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#121
No, I'm sayin there SHOULDN'T be hard feelins, just like there shouldn't have been any against Obama	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2019	#125
Hillary worked her heart out for Obama, and Bill did also.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#149
No, I'm telling you how you SHOULDN'T feel... it only hurts your own self-interests.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2019	#151
I don't consider supporting Sen Sanders to be in my best interest.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#157
You should-Joe was a great VP by adoptin Obama's agenda, which was more like Bernie's than Joe's own	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2019	#160
Obama's agenda is nothing like Sen. Sanders.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#166
I don't agree with that.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#167
Of course not... it's Bernie we're talking about.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2019	#168
People are allowed to feel differently than you about Sanders. This	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#170
Never said otherwise... you have every right to be wrong about Bernie.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2019	#173
So do you.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#174
Bernie brought a TON of voters to Trump after losing the Dem primary as well.	awesomerwb1	Apr 2019	#146
Yes..true.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#150
I don't know why that is so easily dismissed...	themaguffin	Apr 2019	#120
I agree.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#123
Still amazing to me how much support Bernie has lost, everywhere.	Gothmog	Apr 2019	#208
And Sanders historically loses every Presidential Primary he enters.	OilemFirchen	Apr 2019	#88
Polls show Bernie Sanders' popularity among all voters is plummeting	Gothmog	Apr 2019	#206
He's been bleeding support since Clinton cinched the nomination.	OilemFirchen	Apr 2019	#214
I expect Pete Buttigieg to surpass Bernie.	Blue_true	Apr 2019	#91
You underestimate Bernie at your own peril.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2019	#133
...	BannonsLiver	Apr 2019	#152
We're see. That is the great thing about primaries.	Blue_true	Apr 2019	#183
Damn!	BannonsLiver	Apr 2019	#131
No way in hell	nini	Apr 2019	#203
It's over already? Must have missed when the voting started.	BlueStater	Apr 2019	#201
Trump FEARS Biden because Biden can hit back with a smile.....	ProudMNDemocrat	Apr 2019	#3
Biden should taunt him with the size of his huge hands...	Kahuna7	Apr 2019	#36
K&R	EveHammond13	Apr 2019	#4
If it were a single encounter,	guillaumeb	Apr 2019	#5
Nobody is denying the pattern. What people are saying is that "being uncomfortable" doesn't	LongtimeAZDem	Apr 2019	#6
But what does that "being uncomfortable" mean?	guillaumeb	Apr 2019	#7
It means that they were uncomfortable; such things happen. And, don't lie; Biden acknowledges	LongtimeAZDem	Apr 2019	#9
People feel "uncomforable" about all kinds of things everyday...	Kahuna7	Apr 2019	#18
Just imagine SAYING you felt uncomfortable when someone	Hortensis	Apr 2019	#122
Especially if the hugger (or kisser, or thigh-toucher) is higher status than you.	Demit	Apr 2019	#194
We all do that last constantly, tho, Demet.	Hortensis	Apr 2019	#196
I'm confused. I thought I was agreeing with you.	Demit	Apr 2019	#200
I think we agree where we're talking about	Hortensis	Apr 2019	#204
The "brief" part of the hug or other kind of touch is an important distinction.	Demit	Apr 2019	#218
A big fat nothing, politically motivated attack.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#111
Ya, the pattern is for every 10,000 people Biden encounters in a single instance...	louis c	Apr 2019	#10
It's still too early in the game to make such pronouncements.	athena	Apr 2019	#13
That is a huge generalization on DU.	LakeArenal	Apr 2019	#19
The polling has been consistent thus far..	Kahuna7	Apr 2019	#23
DU also isn't very representative of the United States Democratic party	bearsfootball516	Apr 2019	#29
I'm a female	Green Line	Apr 2019	#58
Good for you.	athena	Apr 2019	#69
I hear ya!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2019	#163
Sorry to break the news to you...	louis c	Apr 2019	#74
Polling is clear. The politically motivated accusations against Biden didn't	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#92
Were you here during the 2016 primaries?	athena	Apr 2019	#184
I can't follow your logic at all...	louis c	Apr 2019	#209
I am motivatedv by winning. I don't see a woman winning the presidency.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#210
Why would you make such an inane pronouncement?	OilemFirchen	Apr 2019	#87
In most cases, the gender is either stated or obvious.	athena	Apr 2019	#171
Huh?	True Blue American	Apr 2019	#130
Sure. Gender doesn't matter at all.	athena	Apr 2019	#136
Making gender	True Blue American	Apr 2019	#138
Who said it's all?	athena	Apr 2019	#145
I'm beginning to think you may be right, in which case I would happily reverse the order of	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2019	#132
The voters are way too smart for that? He hasn't even declared yet, much less faced an election.	Demit	Apr 2019	#35
He was VP for eight years...running for a third Obama term.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#112
I look forward to how he campaigns.	Demit	Apr 2019	#119
It is diferent.He ran twice with Obama.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#124
As the sidekick. He's running for himself now.	Demit	Apr 2019	#127
Not true...Biden delivered in all ways for Obama. He was hands on in the campaign	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#159
I doubt people will vote for Biden because he was "hands on" in Obama's presidential campaign.	Demit	Apr 2019	#186
People care about winning. and all the old shit isn't going to matter...trying to pretend he wasn't	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#193
The "old shit" is still harming people. Families and students in debt... It's going to come up.	Demit	Apr 2019	#197
Joe has a history... people will see that when he jumps in the race and he's properly vetted.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2019	#172
Bernie has a history also. We shall see.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#211
Sure could. But politically motivated attacks don't work clearly.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#144
lol	BlueFlorida	Apr 2019	#24
Abou what? Total bullshit.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#84
Biden is a very good man and he connects with people.	WeekiWater	Apr 2019	#8
Take women for granted at your peril.	athena	Apr 2019	#11
Just remember white women voted for Trump.	Agschmid	Apr 2019	#12
Yes. White Republican women.	athena	Apr 2019	#15
That's a pretty sad threat; women stand to lose far more as a group if Trump is reelected	LongtimeAZDem	Apr 2019	#20
Isn't that the truth?	BlueFlorida	Apr 2019	#25
Yup.	Agschmid	Apr 2019	#46
"Since most men are Republican"	TwilightZone	Apr 2019	#39
I am a white woman	Polly Hennessey	Apr 2019	#54
This is actually a really good point. A common argument I've seen on Facebook for why they did	LongtimeAZDem	Apr 2019	#16
More White Women went for Trump than Hillary....	ProudMNDemocrat	Apr 2019	#40
I'd love to see them turn on him...	Agschmid	Apr 2019	#47
Polls show women continue to support Biden...	louis c	Apr 2019	#17
It's not enough to vote. The winner needs women to campaign enthusiastically.	athena	Apr 2019	#26
Thats my problem with focusing on these moderate...	doompatrol39	Apr 2019	#34
Exactly.	athena	Apr 2019	#38
Then again it's a no-lose situation...	doompatrol39	Apr 2019	#42
There is no way a perennial Democrat can lose	BlueFlorida	Apr 2019	#60
So the coveted "White Working Class Voters"....	doompatrol39	Apr 2019	#70
Translation	BlueFlorida	Apr 2019	#71
Are you referring to the White Working Class Voters?	doompatrol39	Apr 2019	#72
There are moderate Democrats you know,	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#114
Hey may very well be...	doompatrol39	Apr 2019	#135
Yes, the idea of getting rid of Trump will excite voters. And Biden can take the	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#140
You don't speak for all Democratic women.	BannonsLiver	Apr 2019	#44
At least I am a woman.	athena	Apr 2019	#48
Thank you.	shanny	Apr 2019	#50
They didn't tell you to shut up, and that's a pretty big chip on your shoulder	LongtimeAZDem	Apr 2019	#53
No one told you to shut up.	Polly Hennessey	Apr 2019	#55
I must have missed the part where any of that was said.	BannonsLiver	Apr 2019	#56
If you look at what I've posted about Biden elsewhere on DU,	athena	Apr 2019	#63
I'll see if I can press on.	BannonsLiver	Apr 2019	#64
The only one making "baseless attacks" is you.	LongtimeAZDem	Apr 2019	#68
And Biden is not one of those men...political hit job.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#115
You may be a woman	BlueFlorida	Apr 2019	#61
I have a right to my opinion about how women will vote.	athena	Apr 2019	#65
So -- it is just a biased speculation on your part	BlueFlorida	Apr 2019	#66
You said it!! When is the man-splainin ever gonna stop?!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2019	#79
The partisans for one candidate still believe	BlueFlorida	Apr 2019	#28
But it backfired...saw a poll where Biden leads in New Hampshire.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#85
yep	BlueFlorida	Apr 2019	#89
You can only speak for yourself.	LakeArenal	Apr 2019	#27
Sorry but the polling says otherwise	BannonsLiver	Apr 2019	#43
What is disqualifying?	athena	Apr 2019	#45
Nobody is dismissing anyone's concerns.	BannonsLiver	Apr 2019	#57
Please get over it	BlueFlorida	Apr 2019	#62
Thanks for this demonstration of civility!	athena	Apr 2019	#67
Also probably more enjoyable for those terrified of having their beliefs challenged.	BannonsLiver	Apr 2019	#73
Oh snap!	Tipperary	Apr 2019	#106
+1	LongtimeAZDem	Apr 2019	#126
I am a woman and I will. I would hope that getting fascist Trump out of office	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#93
You're making a lot of sense... maybe should switch to Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2019	#134
I am a woman and support Biden. I don't like politically motivated attacks.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#212
Nice touch here...	Kahuna7	Apr 2019	#14
Remember when Princess Di used to ...	LakeArenal	Apr 2019	#22
K&R	stonecutter357	Apr 2019	#30
These polls are just about name recognition at this point.	Bleacher Creature	Apr 2019	#31
I agree. Biden is doing as much of a slow roll of declaring his candidacy as Bernie is with	Demit	Apr 2019	#37
It looks fine to me.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#94
It's not the same..	Cha	Apr 2019	#96
And I read that he won't declare until he has enough donor backing.	Demit	Apr 2019	#100
Biden- Beto	awesomerwb1	Apr 2019	#32
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Apr 2019	#41
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Apr 2019	#51
2020 roundup: Biden leads Harris in California	Baclava	Apr 2019	#75
Biden will be the nominee	EveHammond13	Apr 2019	#76
Yes. Joe Biden will be.	democratisphere	Apr 2019	#78
I like your enthusiasm, Eve!	Cha	Apr 2019	#97
Not bad for someone who hasn't even declared, eh?	MineralMan	Apr 2019	#81
I guess the hit job did not work. nt	Blue_true	Apr 2019	#90
I like Joe Biden a lot, but I won't support him in the primary	Martin Eden	Apr 2019	#98
1) Why the ageism? 2) Agree 100% that Joe's vote for the IWR is a disqualifier	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2019	#102
This message was self-deleted by its author	BannonsLiver	Apr 2019	#105
Come on. That simply isn't true. Sanders is not up in New Hampshire.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#116
I don't think it's discriminatory "ageism"	Martin Eden	Apr 2019	#190
It should depend on the INDIVIDUAL... Joe appears to be in excellent shape & have quite the stamina	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2019	#198
He's not 80.	BannonsLiver	Apr 2019	#104
The fact is Joe would turn 80 about two thirds into his first term.	Martin Eden	Apr 2019	#192
He's not 80 now, though. That's the point.	BannonsLiver	Apr 2019	#215
That's your point	Martin Eden	Apr 2019	#216
I'm not an ageist so you'd probably have to ask someone else what their cutoff is.	BannonsLiver	Apr 2019	#217
I'll be happy to vote for Joe if he is the nominee for the party.	TexasTowelie	Apr 2019	#99
No wonder some supporters of "other" campaigns don't want Joe in the race	still_one	Apr 2019	#129
They made that clear with the Flores attack.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#155
Biden promises a return to "normal" for the majority of American voters	randr	Apr 2019	#158
He is not a senator from Delaware anymore. His last job was VP. Also, one of the reasons	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#169
Joe Biden is no pushover. He has been around the block many times.....	ProudMNDemocrat	Apr 2019	#176
So instead of allegations, why not call it	greymattermom	Apr 2019	#182
Joe Biden is the most electable candidate that the Democratic Party has available	Gothmog	Apr 2019	#188
k&r	Skidmore	Apr 2019	#195
Be prepared for a 3rd party candidate , that is all	Eliot Rosewater	Apr 2019	#202
Still amazing to me how much support Bernie has lost, everywhere.	Gothmog	Apr 2019	#207
I Agree.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#213
sanders will lose the #neverhillary types who were never democrats	Gothmog	Apr 2019	#221
The map makes me hopeful. The Sanders strategy is clear ...drive out those	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#223
Joe Biden is the most electable candidate that the Democratic Party has available	Gothmog	Apr 2019	#219

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