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lagomorph777

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241. "Insisting that moderate Republicans will somehow come around..."
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 03:20 PM
Feb 2020

...and vote for any Democratic nominee is pure fantasy. There is actually no such beast as a moderate Republican. If a person is a Republican now, their values are the exact opposite of American values. They are lost souls and it is literally demoralizing (i.e. removing morals) to pander to them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Awesome summary and perspective. Thanks. n/t CincyDem Feb 2020 #1
Can sum this up. You hate Bernie and everyone should vote for the candidate you prefer Rilgin Feb 2020 #46
Yes! Many of us would have preferred to vote for more progressive candidates in the past. Bluepinky Feb 2020 #104
Your ignoring the facts MFM008 Feb 2020 #133
That's exactly what I worry about. calimary Feb 2020 #209
Sooner ot later we need to have this discussion Gobbierella Feb 2020 #242
Franken leaned moderate. blm Feb 2020 #284
He was pretty progressive. Bluepinky Feb 2020 #285
Yes, he is progressive and leans moderate. blm Feb 2020 #286
Bernie is very uninspiring and ineffective Rene Feb 2020 #171
Biden is very uninspiring and ineffective Boomer Feb 2020 #184
Biden Brings War Baggage McKim Feb 2020 #188
Biden is definitely Inspiring with excellent experience and Cha Feb 2020 #295
Your subjective opinion, not mine Boomer Feb 2020 #297
What was the name of Clinton's cat? rzemanfl Feb 2020 #185
Socks. calimary Feb 2020 #220
Yeah, you are right. Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #195
The American public, since the Cold War days, have been convinced luvtheGWN Feb 2020 #213
Well said. maddiemom Feb 2020 #221
Democratic socialism llashram Feb 2020 #225
Eugene V. Debs is a hero to many informed/intelligent people. Stainless Feb 2020 #233
okay llashram Feb 2020 #256
Unfailing certainty is great prose. Rilgin Feb 2020 #232
OK. Tell me what are the projected wnylib Feb 2020 #250
Just so you know, luvtheGWN Feb 2020 #262
Agreed and this should be an OP. MarcA Feb 2020 #235
That's pretty much why I've quit coming around here. beerandjesus Feb 2020 #243
Vote for the most right wing candidate? LiberalFighter Feb 2020 #289
You just reinforced her point🙄. we can do it Feb 2020 #277
No hate here milan755803 Feb 2020 #278
Thank you for your reasoned response and welcome to DU! Rhiannon12866 Feb 2020 #296
Once again you have hit the nail on the head. COLGATE4 Feb 2020 #65
Sander's statements praising communistic regimes many believe will sink him and our party. olegramps Feb 2020 #269
Lee Atwater would have pouced on that just like he did LiberalFighter Feb 2020 #290
+1000 aeromanKC Feb 2020 #2
Very well said. I believe Mr Sanders will have no coattails. apcalc Feb 2020 #3
Nance Now Explain Why So Many Voted For Obama Then Voted For Trump? DanieRains Feb 2020 #95
Why so many voted for Obama then voted for Trump: betsuni Feb 2020 #149
Spot on. n/t AverageJoe Feb 2020 #207
Excellent! leftieNanner Feb 2020 #4
We shouldn't have to sacrifice the country so BS can go out in a blaze of glory. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #5
He won't care. AZ8theist Feb 2020 #59
X100! COLGATE4 Feb 2020 #189
That's another thing that still bothers me about him. calimary Feb 2020 #229
. dalton99a Feb 2020 #66
The way I read the delegate and convention rules it would disqualify him. LiberalFighter Feb 2020 #291
k&r Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2020 #6
Bernie is a formidable Democratic primary candidate BeyondGeography Feb 2020 #7
Political sites don't represent American voters. MisterFred Feb 2020 #8
I tried to make this point a while ago ProfessorPlum Feb 2020 #197
Love your username. nt MisterFred Feb 2020 #199
Those bickering are trying to take people away from Sanders Perseus Feb 2020 #275
By far, this is the best OP I've read all day. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #9
Ditto defacto7 Feb 2020 #93
Why start now? Bonobo Feb 2020 #10
So Trump is defending Bernie ... NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #15
And there is is. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #80
Hold on for a second jmowreader Feb 2020 #17
Trump's Camp is definitely gonna play this during the GE cheezmaka Feb 2020 #172
He's said that numerous times Progressive dog Feb 2020 #217
"Starting with the lie that he is a socialist " TwilightZone Feb 2020 #18
What will be funny....and downright sad.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2020 #98
x 1000! peggysue2 Feb 2020 #121
BS has no idea how he is going to pay for all of the sh't he has promised everyone democratisphere Feb 2020 #22
We are a reality based community, Bonobo. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #54
So if Bernie drops out and Putin switches his support to Biden will you expect Biden to drop out? ripcord Feb 2020 #84
Putin would not switch his support to Biden. Maybe to Gabbard. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #94
Trump and Putin are trying to sow discord and divisiveness in the Democratic Party. Bluepinky Feb 2020 #108
+1! tecelote Feb 2020 #147
Im old enough to remember MFM008 Feb 2020 #134
Sweden does have socialized medicine. Bernie wants to copy it Progressive dog Feb 2020 #224
You'll fail to see the irony in your allegation of others being dishonest. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #248
A great post and accurate summary dalton99a Feb 2020 #11
Really well said! DonaldsRump Feb 2020 #12
+1000 smirkymonkey Feb 2020 #255
Thank you Nance this is the most ugly primary rwheeler31 Feb 2020 #13
K and R BadgerMom Feb 2020 #14
Thank you relayerbob Feb 2020 #16
The moderates won't. Blue_true Feb 2020 #31
Didn't say they would relayerbob Feb 2020 #34
If they don't withdraw, at some point Sanders will have too much momentum, like Trump in 16. nt Blue_true Feb 2020 #41
Yeah, it has a lot of simularities. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #77
On Stephanie Miller's show last week, Haggis for Breakfast Feb 2020 #19
Damn.. we knew it! Cha Feb 2020 #127
He wins nearly every demographic of Democratic voters Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #20
Ditto. Go, Bernie. Doitnow Feb 2020 #71
As a friend of mine put it: madamesilverspurs Feb 2020 #21
That would mean the Democrats will win the presidency? Yavin4 Feb 2020 #28
Here? No...I don't think we can. TCJ70 Feb 2020 #23
My thoughts exactly. The question made me chuckle. Steelrolled Feb 2020 #24
Yeah, I know. NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #25
Works both ways. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #30
yep ibegurpard Feb 2020 #138
good handmade34 Feb 2020 #26
Chances of "socialism" gaining ground in the swing states are approximately zero. dalton99a Feb 2020 #29
That was my point ... NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #35
If everything you've posted is true and is well known, why can't Biden defeat him? Yavin4 Feb 2020 #27
Vote Blue no Matter Who handmade34 Feb 2020 #85
That is a very good point AverageJoe Feb 2020 #112
Ha! "to this point" fleabiscuit Feb 2020 #126
Swing States. Cha Feb 2020 #129
Republican project chaos, influence of Russian misinformation and influence NoMoreRepugs Feb 2020 #206
THIS! THIS! THIS! democratisphere Feb 2020 #32
Well, why aren't they? Nobody is stopping them. Doitnow Feb 2020 #81
Sometimes when someone repeats the same thing over and over democratisphere Feb 2020 #97
Some people aren't paying attention when Bernie has explained how he does pay for his plans. I'd Doitnow Feb 2020 #201
The majority of vehicles still run on fossil fuels and will for the immediate future. democratisphere Feb 2020 #214
Most of that will have to change or we won't have a planet. Meantime there are many solutions Doitnow Feb 2020 #247
Unfortunately, every generation needs their George McGovern. But it's bad timing. Hoyt Feb 2020 #33
Does every generation need their Walter Mondale too? denem Feb 2020 #50
Agree. He still lost big time, and I still support him. Hoyt Feb 2020 #57
It was not McGovern's fault that Nixon ratfucked Muskie. denem Feb 2020 #69
The election results eviscerated McGovern. BlueTsunami2018 Feb 2020 #64
One of my favorite McGovern stories involved John Kerry. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #70
Failure is an orphan. denem Feb 2020 #79
And can you appreciate why I might be offended, denem Feb 2020 #73
Sure, if he was being compared to him as a person. BlueTsunami2018 Feb 2020 #90
Yep. denem Feb 2020 #91
Bad timing, indeed! peggysue2 Feb 2020 #128
KnR sheshe2 Feb 2020 #36
Im sorry your guy Biden is not doing well fallout87 Feb 2020 #37
Bernie doing well or not doing well ... NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #44
And we aren't at the GE fallout87 Feb 2020 #198
you just proved her point nini Feb 2020 #257
Thank you for a clear assessment PatSeg Feb 2020 #38
Bernie angst is overdone Pantagruel Feb 2020 #39
Sanders has no historical swing state appeal outside of MOE, Biden has the most so Sanders is worse uponit7771 Feb 2020 #210
Thank you for taking the time to articulate this. :) nt Sloumeau Feb 2020 #40
Nobody will believe that republicans will vote for ANY Dem. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #42
The die-hard Trump-humping 'base' ... NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #48
I agree. But so many here just wont listen to that reality. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #78
I wonder who these guys will vote for.... yuiyoshida Feb 2020 #113
THIS is how idiot people have become. And yet, they wrap themselves in the flag Vivienne235729 Feb 2020 #208
Because they won't ibegurpard Feb 2020 #137
Here in the Philly burbs in PA, my middle age women and some men apcalc Feb 2020 #167
But people wont believe you. I know a few of those people too; here in GA. oldsoftie Feb 2020 #293
In the latest Gallup poll on Party affilication, 42% were Independents Martin Eden Feb 2020 #237
FDR hz-xlnc Feb 2020 #43
Sanders isn't FDR. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #45
The Socialist Party opposed FDR. They had their own candidate, Eugene Debs, Bernie's hero. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #67
truth hz-xlnc Feb 2020 #82
Dems and the GOP are not the same when it comes to workers' rights. Debs lied. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #86
And, she just posted the "Truth". Cha Feb 2020 #131
holy mother of god lapfog_1 Feb 2020 #164
Lol. The GOP is going to use stuff like this to KPN Feb 2020 #178
hz-xlnc..I knew FDR..Sen Sanders is no FDR......for the alert...it's a joke based on AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #238
Balanced, fair and sadly true. I say sadly because it seems Bernie might win the nom. And all your emmaverybo Feb 2020 #47
Don't you think members within the party should take some responsibility dbolski Feb 2020 #49
He's not a member of my own party. n/t NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #62
Oh well then you should have told him that before you let him run on your ticket. dbolski Feb 2020 #116
I wasn't the one who 'let' him. NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #150
We had no say in it or he wouldn't be on our ticket. MrsCoffee Feb 2020 #177
Not only is he a member of your own party AverageJoe Feb 2020 #204
it's not like people outside these sites RazBerryBeret Feb 2020 #51
or we can boil this all down kozar Feb 2020 #52
First, I like Bernie's drive to make America a more just society. That said, I think he is divisive. Capt. America Feb 2020 #53
Yes, it's the yelling that turns me off. It's as if we're always being scolded... maddiemom Feb 2020 #228
I think you answered your own question: Ron Green Feb 2020 #55
Sanders himself said in 1972 that he didn't mind being called a communist. RW media are making highplainsdem Feb 2020 #56
Oh no! You too? notinkansas Feb 2020 #58
Stating facts is not Bernie bashing. It is vetting. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #61
Thanks for making my point. NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #68
"I am only writing this to say that there are legitimate reasons for many of us... pazzyanne Feb 2020 #60
It's impossible to talk to a brick wall. William769 Feb 2020 #63
I do not support Putin. rusty quoin Feb 2020 #72
K & R SunSeeker Feb 2020 #74
+10000 EXACTLY!! I have been trying to say exactly this in different posts. Vivienne235729 Feb 2020 #75
2020: Cult vs Cult? world wide wally Feb 2020 #76
Bros vs Redhats dalton99a Feb 2020 #212
Your posts are better when you use anaphora. Please start every paragraph with the same words. lutherj Feb 2020 #83
I agree completely NCProgressive Feb 2020 #87
Pure BS Anniem60 Feb 2020 #88
Honest question...what has the Senator gotten done in his... as you say..40 yrs? AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #239
We can't have an honest discussion here NYMinute Feb 2020 #89
You are joking, right? ZZenith Feb 2020 #114
.... Hekate Feb 2020 #119
4th-to-last paragraph: my fears exactly. n/t Beartracks Feb 2020 #92
Thank you, NG. Clearly and powerfully said. defacto7 Feb 2020 #96
Brava, Nance.. Brilliant analysis! Many of Cha Feb 2020 #99
Your "honest conversation" about Bernie is nothing but a list of criticisms Bluepinky Feb 2020 #100
"It's pretty condescending to suggest ... NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #105
OK, I think we should get behind whatever candidate wins the nomination. Bluepinky Feb 2020 #117
He benefitted from misrepresenting his own stances on immigration and the Obama emmaverybo Feb 2020 #123
I agree... yuiyoshida Feb 2020 #101
My problem is that he seems to enjoy alienating those of us who will eventually have to vote- dawg day Feb 2020 #102
Nance, you're on the money. Eyeball_Kid Feb 2020 #103
Democratic establishment into panic mode zak247 Feb 2020 #106
This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Feb 2020 #107
As I have stated here several times now ... NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #110
This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Feb 2020 #122
Nancegreggs just said not support of Sanders, but against Trump. Why wouldn't you respect LizBeth Feb 2020 #139
This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Feb 2020 #140
The difference to being respectful for another, or not being respectful. LizBeth Feb 2020 #141
This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Feb 2020 #142
Ah, you know better. Thank you. LizBeth Feb 2020 #143
This message was self-deleted by its author chwaliszewski Feb 2020 #144
classy! nt USALiberal Feb 2020 #179
I'm a committed Democrat AverageJoe Feb 2020 #109
Well said! I agree with your sentiments. Bluepinky Feb 2020 #118
Credit where it is due. Laelth Feb 2020 #111
Bernie can easily lose zak247 Feb 2020 #115
Thanks as always, Nance Hekate Feb 2020 #120
Is Bernie too rigid? zak247 Feb 2020 #124
An excellent post hangaleft Feb 2020 #125
I agree 1000% with what you say pink Feb 2020 #130
Kick lamp_shade Feb 2020 #132
Tell me about credit cards! thewhollytoast Feb 2020 #135
THANK YOU !!! Most Sanders supporters will NOT answer about losing Florida uponit7771 Feb 2020 #136
He is tainted now Meowmee Feb 2020 #145
Have you read this pamphlet? pertello Feb 2020 #146
Apparently not. Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #148
Apparently not. B Stieg Feb 2020 #151
Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #152
Thanks! K&R reACTIONary Feb 2020 #153
This isn't a conversation about Bernie. This is your opinion about Bernie. YOHABLO Feb 2020 #154
"Identity politics" ehrnst Feb 2020 #219
Sanders has formed a diverse coalition. Kurt V. Feb 2020 #155
Isn't it funny how many of the same Democrats who attack Bernie for not being a Democrat ... markpkessinger Feb 2020 #156
And also just saying ... NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #159
Pointing out a double standard is not a "what about him" meme ... markpkessinger Feb 2020 #161
Exactly. KPN Feb 2020 #187
BS is running a traitortrump campaign, based on 'facts don't exist' as N Greggs noted above. empedocles Feb 2020 #157
Thank you. I agree with all that. Problem is, I also agree with the math that says he's our likely c Squinch Feb 2020 #158
We don't need the people cannabis_flower Feb 2020 #160
This is the first time LittleGirl Feb 2020 #162
Powerful essay, Democrats must face reality if they are going to win in November bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #163
One last point lapfog_1 Feb 2020 #165
That's a VERY good point! n/t NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #168
As a young ( very young ) manager of a group of programmers lapfog_1 Feb 2020 #169
Excellent analogy! Still Sensible Feb 2020 #254
Didactic preaching and worn out attack points. Magoo48 Feb 2020 #166
Facts? The data points to the opposite of what you say. DanTex Feb 2020 #170
Just look at the pages of the DU. hughee99 Feb 2020 #175
Great post Nance Gothmog Feb 2020 #173
If the GOP Congress refuses, he may have to ask Mexico dalton99a Feb 2020 #211
Funny how Bernie zentrum Feb 2020 #174
thank you samnsara Feb 2020 #176
Maybe we would like him more if he didn't bad-mouth us all the time. Hate goes both ways. Walleye Feb 2020 #180
No we cannot. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #181
Bullseye, NanceGregg. Paladin Feb 2020 #182
Thank you! gradmaster Feb 2020 #183
What I don't understand is this: we have a president who knows that in2herbs Feb 2020 #186
Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #190
Apparently not. Is that what you call conversation? KPN Feb 2020 #191
A perceived socialist/revolution ticket is a disaster for any party. nt oasis Feb 2020 #192
OP could use a title change. Berniesbiggestfan Feb 2020 #193
Or you could take it as a set of criticisms to consider Mersky Feb 2020 #200
Interesting first post. You obviously don't know who you are mocking. rzemanfl Feb 2020 #203
But...but... Trumps loves him! McCamy Taylor Feb 2020 #194
Thanks, NanceGreggs, wendyb-NC Feb 2020 #196
Thank you Nancy Peacetrain Feb 2020 #202
This x1000! mcar Feb 2020 #205
All of your posts are highly insightful, but this one... NNadir Feb 2020 #215
This is just another list of excuses. Jirel Feb 2020 #216
Thank you Progressive dog Feb 2020 #218
good comment!! subana Feb 2020 #222
you are right llashram Feb 2020 #223
Let's change that conversation ... ananda Feb 2020 #226
Good points, though I love Bernie E. Warren is the one... judy Feb 2020 #227
Bernie knows, like Trump, it doesn't matter what you can actually achieve, Baked Potato Feb 2020 #230
There are always legit reasons for some to want the frontrunner to NOT win. aikoaiko Feb 2020 #231
So much truth here! Firebrand Gary Feb 2020 #234
Insouciance is the word of the day Midnightwalk Feb 2020 #236
Probably not. Harker Feb 2020 #240
"Insisting that moderate Republicans will somehow come around..." lagomorph777 Feb 2020 #241
We need new voters to win Gobbierella Feb 2020 #244
+1 Something like 44 million left-leaning people sat out 2016. lagomorph777 Feb 2020 #245
If an added inducement beyond ousting Trumpsky is needed Harker Feb 2020 #249
If we're being honest Gobbierella Feb 2020 #263
+1 Also we have to help them overcome suppression. lagomorph777 Feb 2020 #264
This is the grassroots we need Gobbierella Feb 2020 #268
"Honest" (snort) beerandjesus Feb 2020 #246
Bernie's too good for the Democratic Party until he needs it for something. PubliusEnigma Feb 2020 #251
No, we can't. People get their posts deleted if he/she has an "honest" converation about Bernie. efhmc Feb 2020 #252
I stopped coming to DU in 2015 MosesYastrzemski Feb 2020 #253
Maybe it's time for a new tactic Gobbierella Feb 2020 #270
"Bernie is an extremely divisive figure in our party." We see this right here, right now. Stuart G Feb 2020 #258
Bernie's Followers Lotus54 Feb 2020 #259
Thank you! R B Garr Feb 2020 #260
All of that worked for Trump IronLionZion Feb 2020 #261
Excellent post and I agree with you. llmart Feb 2020 #265
Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #266
It's the "down ballot votes, stupid!" disndat Feb 2020 #267
Not a chance. He's too polarizing here at DU Warpy Feb 2020 #271
Florida Democratic Party disavows Sanders. Gothmog Feb 2020 #272
Wow! Cha Feb 2020 #300
77, heart attack, no medical records, yells a lot trof Feb 2020 #273
I would never dispute your honesty, but 1st time I dont agree w u Perseus Feb 2020 #274
Thank you for this. we can do it Feb 2020 #276
This OP is honest, maybe, BlueWI Feb 2020 #279
Well, okay then. warmfeet Feb 2020 #280
Why does this question ... NanceGreggs Feb 2020 #282
of course he/she hasn't. But he/she knows that in 2016... wyldwolf Feb 2020 #283
Bernie has made it clear throughout his political career that he hates my party. tarheelsunc Feb 2020 #281
THANK YOU Nance Skittles Feb 2020 #287
My Responses in brackets and italics LiberalFighter Feb 2020 #288
Thanks, NanceGreggs! LaMouffette Feb 2020 #292
53% of Americans will not vote for a Socialist cheezmaka Feb 2020 #294
sanders' plan to pay for proposals does not add up Gothmog Feb 2020 #298
Just as we thought. TY Cha Feb 2020 #299
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